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That's what happen when you lockdown. The solution is simple: stop the lockdown. At this point the harm is greater than the benefit.

by matz1 6y ago

vkou 6y ago
Do you think people would be more or less inclined to go to restaurants or order takeout if there's an exponentially-growing out-of-control pandemic sweeping their city? Speaking of restaurants, there's a funny thing that's happening with them. Ones in residential areas are currently doing OK. Ones in predominantly commercial areas are dying - because everyone's telecommuting. Lifting the lockdown won't do a damn thing to help the latter. All of those telecommuting workers are going to keep telecommuting [1], regardless of whether or not some politician decides to sacrifice a few million kulaks on the altar of economic growth. [1] Amazon, for instance, will keep most of its employees at home until at least January 2021 (And will doubtlessly push that date off, again). Do you think any of the restaurants surrounding their offices in South Lake Union are going to get any customers, even if Washington state re-opens tomorrow? Why would Amazon employees patronize them, when they are all working from home?
- matz1 6y ago
  >Do you think people would be more or less inclined to go to restaurants or order takeout At very least, it would help. >if there's an exponentially-growing out-of-control pandemic sweeping their city? yes case its growing because there is more testing but for majority the case its either asymptotic or only mild symptom. >All of those telecommuting workers are going to keep telecommuting Sure but doesn't mean they won't go to restaurant. I'm wfh but still go to restaurant.
  - xxpor 6y ago
    "there's more cases because we're going more testing" might be the most uninformed take there is.
    - matz1 6y ago
      How is it uninformed ?
      - nemothekid 6y ago
        It’s uninformed because the US has a way higher rate of positive cases per 1000 cases than the rest of the world.
        matz1 6y ago
        And how do u get that number that if not because of testing ?
        fredophile 6y ago
        Testing didn't make those people sick; It just revealed how many people are actually sick. I only have anecdotes but my understanding is that it can still be hard to get tested in some areas. That implies that tests are being used on people we're pretty sure have it. Increased testing should allow us to test less likely people so the percentage of positive tests should drop with increased testing. Testing also isn't the only indicator we have but the results of the others lag behind testing. Other useful indicators include the number of hospitalizations for covid patients and excess deaths.
        matz1 6y ago
        >Testing didn't make those people sick; I didn't say testing make people stick. > It just revealed how many people are actually sick Testing doesn't reveal how many people are actually sick. A lot of people tested positive but never get sick. >That implies that tests are being used on people we're pretty sure have it It was hard to get testing before but its relatively easier now. A lot of people get tested despite they never have a symptom. A lot of hospital test all patient coming to hospital get tested despite they come for different reason.
  - xsmasher 6y ago
    > yes case its growing because there is more testing At least in Contra Costa County, the % positive rate is increasing (back to 10%, the highest it has ever been.) Testing more people doesn't increase the % positive rate. An increase in rate of infected people does. We do not have this under control, and rushing to reopen will just cause it to go exponential again.
    - matz1 6y ago
      Obviously I was referring to confirmed case. Testing more people increase the number of confirmed case. The fact remain, if you get infected at all, majority of the cases are asymptotic or only mild symptom.
nemothekid 6y ago
This idea that people would just get up and go out because the government says its ok while case numbers continue to rise is daft. Not many people are going to willingly risk their own life or those of their parents until a vaccine is available. Contrary to popular belief, people aren’t sheep and if hospitals are filling up despite the government saying its “ok” people will just continue to stay home.
- jnwatson 6y ago
  In Northern Virginia, restaurants are open indoors with limited capacity. I still don’t see that capacity being used. Patrons aren’t coming out.
- matz1 6y ago
  of course some people will chose to stay at home, but many other will go. At very least it helps. I want to go but I can't if the restaurant is closed.
  - dylan604 6y ago
    > I want to go but I can't if the restaurant is close Would you go if the restaurant was open right now? If so, why? Maybe you know you don't have "'rona", but can you be 100% positive the stranger next to you doesn't? Why would you risk sitting in a restaurant? I get patronizing the restaurant, but you can do the same with curbside pickup. Is it the dire need to get out of the house? Or do you feel it's a hoax?
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    - matz1 6y ago
      >Would you go if the restaurant was open right now? Absolutely, I never stop went to the restaurant that are still open. > If so, why? The same reason on why most people go to restaurant: To enjoy the food and the service. >but can you be 100% positive the stranger next to you doesn't? Of course not, so ? >Why would you risk sitting in a restaurant? Everything in life has some risk. Why would I do anything at all ? because the benefit > risk. >but you can do the same with curbside pickup Its not the same. >do you feel it's a hoax? No, the virus is real but the risk is low.
nickthemagicman 6y ago
I 100% agree with you. You're fighting mass hysteria right now from irrational people, the same type of fear and irrationality thats led to all kinds of negative things throughout human history. Just be sure to vote against people who support this. That's all.

That's what happen when you lockdown. The solution is simple: stop the lockdown. At this point the harm is greater than the benefit.

by matz1 6y ago

That's what happen when you lockdown. The solution is simple: stop the lockdown. At this point the harm is greater than the benefit.

vkou 6y ago

Do you think people would be more or less inclined to go to restaurants or order takeout if there's an exponentially-growing out-of-control pandemic sweeping their city? Speaking of restaurants, there's a funny thing that's happening with them. Ones in residential areas are currently doing OK. Ones in predominantly commercial areas are dying - because everyone's telecommuting. Lifting the lockdown won't do a damn thing to help the latter. All of those telecommuting workers are going to keep telecommuting [1], regardless of whether or not some politician decides to sacrifice a few million kulaks on the altar of economic growth. [1] Amazon, for instance, will keep most of its employees at home until at least January 2021 (And will doubtlessly push that date off, again). Do you think any of the restaurants surrounding their offices in South Lake Union are going to get any customers, even if Washington state re-opens tomorrow? Why would Amazon employees patronize them, when they are all working from home?

matz1 6y ago
>Do you think people would be more or less inclined to go to restaurants or order takeout At very least, it would help. >if there's an exponentially-growing out-of-control pandemic sweeping their city? yes case its growing because there is more testing but for majority the case its either asymptotic or only mild symptom. >All of those telecommuting workers are going to keep telecommuting Sure but doesn't mean they won't go to restaurant. I'm wfh but still go to restaurant.
- xxpor 6y ago
  "there's more cases because we're going more testing" might be the most uninformed take there is.
  - matz1 6y ago
    How is it uninformed ?
    - nemothekid 6y ago
      It’s uninformed because the US has a way higher rate of positive cases per 1000 cases than the rest of the world.
      - matz1 6y ago
        And how do u get that number that if not because of testing ?
        fredophile 6y ago
        Testing didn't make those people sick; It just revealed how many people are actually sick. I only have anecdotes but my understanding is that it can still be hard to get tested in some areas. That implies that tests are being used on people we're pretty sure have it. Increased testing should allow us to test less likely people so the percentage of positive tests should drop with increased testing. Testing also isn't the only indicator we have but the results of the others lag behind testing. Other useful indicators include the number of hospitalizations for covid patients and excess deaths.
        matz1 6y ago
        >Testing didn't make those people sick; I didn't say testing make people stick. > It just revealed how many people are actually sick Testing doesn't reveal how many people are actually sick. A lot of people tested positive but never get sick. >That implies that tests are being used on people we're pretty sure have it It was hard to get testing before but its relatively easier now. A lot of people get tested despite they never have a symptom. A lot of hospital test all patient coming to hospital get tested despite they come for different reason.
- xsmasher 6y ago
  > yes case its growing because there is more testing At least in Contra Costa County, the % positive rate is increasing (back to 10%, the highest it has ever been.) Testing more people doesn't increase the % positive rate. An increase in rate of infected people does. We do not have this under control, and rushing to reopen will just cause it to go exponential again.
  - matz1 6y ago
    Obviously I was referring to confirmed case. Testing more people increase the number of confirmed case. The fact remain, if you get infected at all, majority of the cases are asymptotic or only mild symptom.

nemothekid 6y ago

This idea that people would just get up and go out because the government says its ok while case numbers continue to rise is daft. Not many people are going to willingly risk their own life or those of their parents until a vaccine is available. Contrary to popular belief, people aren’t sheep and if hospitals are filling up despite the government saying its “ok” people will just continue to stay home.

jnwatson 6y ago
In Northern Virginia, restaurants are open indoors with limited capacity. I still don’t see that capacity being used. Patrons aren’t coming out.
matz1 6y ago
of course some people will chose to stay at home, but many other will go. At very least it helps. I want to go but I can't if the restaurant is closed.
- dylan604 6y ago
  > I want to go but I can't if the restaurant is close Would you go if the restaurant was open right now? If so, why? Maybe you know you don't have "'rona", but can you be 100% positive the stranger next to you doesn't? Why would you risk sitting in a restaurant? I get patronizing the restaurant, but you can do the same with curbside pickup. Is it the dire need to get out of the house? Or do you feel it's a hoax?
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  - matz1 6y ago
    >Would you go if the restaurant was open right now? Absolutely, I never stop went to the restaurant that are still open. > If so, why? The same reason on why most people go to restaurant: To enjoy the food and the service. >but can you be 100% positive the stranger next to you doesn't? Of course not, so ? >Why would you risk sitting in a restaurant? Everything in life has some risk. Why would I do anything at all ? because the benefit > risk. >but you can do the same with curbside pickup Its not the same. >do you feel it's a hoax? No, the virus is real but the risk is low.

nickthemagicman 6y ago

I 100% agree with you. You're fighting mass hysteria right now from irrational people, the same type of fear and irrationality thats led to all kinds of negative things throughout human history. Just be sure to vote against people who support this. That's all.