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So you’re saying that we don’t own Apple devices but merely rent them out for the day? Disneyland isn’t a product, you can’t compare it to a phone.

ballenf 6y ago
Apple didn't change the rules after they sold you the phone. It was locked down when you bought it just like Disney is. We absolutely don't fully own iPhones in the FSF sense. Same for your refrigerator with DRM water filters. Or your Tesla.
- tuscen 6y ago
  And that’s the problem: in my opinion it should be illegal. If I pay the full price I own the device from top to bottom including the ability to change every piece of internal firmwares and software. Otherwise it is renting and must be presented as such from the beginning.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Do you buy game consoles? Do you have a Roku device? Do you really need the government to come in when you had a choice to buy an Android device?
    - tuscen 6y ago
      It doesn't matter what I buy or not buy. It's a matter of corporations being able to eat the cake and have it too. There's a distinction of ownership and renting and corporations have successfuly twisted the difference in their favor by bribing as much people as their could.
      - scarface74 6y ago
        It absolutely does matter. I don’t buy products when I have other choices that don’t meet my desires and then expect the government to do something about it.
        tuscen 6y ago
        Since the government in a democratic society is a continuation of me and my desires I don’t have a problem wanting the government do what I want.
        scarface74 6y ago
        There is nothing “democratic” about the US government. It was never designed that way. The President is not elected by the people. He is elected by the electoral college giving people in less populous states more power than people in more populous states. We saw that in the last election. The Senate does not represent the people. It represents the states. Every state has two Senators regardless of the population. Again meaning the flyover states have far more voting power than their population would warrant. The judiciary is appointed by the President who isn’t elected by the people and decided by the Senate who doesn’t represent the people and have lifetime appointments. The only part of the US government that is nominally “democratic” is the House and they are the least powerful part of the government and even they don’t represent the will of the people because of gerrymandering. So put all of that together, the less power the government has the better. Why not just nationalize both Apple and Google so the government can come up with “Five Year Plans” to design the perfect phone? The same government run by politicians who didn’t realize that Zuckerberg didn’t run Twitter last week. We see with what’s happening with TikTok what happens when corrupt politicians who are more interested in their own agenda gets involved in the free market. This isn’t partisan. The entire political system is corrupt.
- searchableguy 6y ago
  I wonder if this counts as false or misleading advertising. I think this has been happening too much lately with tech.
SergeAx 6y ago
The owner of the device is the one with root access to it. No, you don't own your iOS devices.
- ClumsyPilot 6y ago
  Sounds good, just need to let Apple know that paying and repairing the device is bow their responsibility

ballenf 6y ago

Apple didn't change the rules after they sold you the phone. It was locked down when you bought it just like Disney is. We absolutely don't fully own iPhones in the FSF sense. Same for your refrigerator with DRM water filters. Or your Tesla.

tuscen 6y ago
And that’s the problem: in my opinion it should be illegal. If I pay the full price I own the device from top to bottom including the ability to change every piece of internal firmwares and software. Otherwise it is renting and must be presented as such from the beginning.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Do you buy game consoles? Do you have a Roku device? Do you really need the government to come in when you had a choice to buy an Android device?
  - tuscen 6y ago
    It doesn't matter what I buy or not buy. It's a matter of corporations being able to eat the cake and have it too. There's a distinction of ownership and renting and corporations have successfuly twisted the difference in their favor by bribing as much people as their could.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      It absolutely does matter. I don’t buy products when I have other choices that don’t meet my desires and then expect the government to do something about it.
      - tuscen 6y ago
        Since the government in a democratic society is a continuation of me and my desires I don’t have a problem wanting the government do what I want.
        scarface74 6y ago
        There is nothing “democratic” about the US government. It was never designed that way. The President is not elected by the people. He is elected by the electoral college giving people in less populous states more power than people in more populous states. We saw that in the last election. The Senate does not represent the people. It represents the states. Every state has two Senators regardless of the population. Again meaning the flyover states have far more voting power than their population would warrant. The judiciary is appointed by the President who isn’t elected by the people and decided by the Senate who doesn’t represent the people and have lifetime appointments. The only part of the US government that is nominally “democratic” is the House and they are the least powerful part of the government and even they don’t represent the will of the people because of gerrymandering. So put all of that together, the less power the government has the better. Why not just nationalize both Apple and Google so the government can come up with “Five Year Plans” to design the perfect phone? The same government run by politicians who didn’t realize that Zuckerberg didn’t run Twitter last week. We see with what’s happening with TikTok what happens when corrupt politicians who are more interested in their own agenda gets involved in the free market. This isn’t partisan. The entire political system is corrupt.
searchableguy 6y ago
I wonder if this counts as false or misleading advertising. I think this has been happening too much lately with tech.

SergeAx 6y ago

The owner of the device is the one with root access to it. No, you don't own your iOS devices.

ClumsyPilot 6y ago
Sounds good, just need to let Apple know that paying and repairing the device is bow their responsibility