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It is a little weird to imagine solving the problem of boaters possible exposure to MMH/NTO, by shooting the boaters.

JumpCrisscross 6y ago
> shooting the boaters Straw man [1]. The Coast Guard would be expected to deter, ticket and, in the most extreme circumstances, disable craft. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
- jessaustin 6y ago
  This whole discussion is straw. The dude piddling around with the hatch on deck wasn't wearing anything for at least forty minutes, then he wore an oxygen mask for about ten minutes. Presumably the "deadly gas" was released during that time. He was touching the capsule. None of the boaters got within a boat length, and they backed off when requested. In future the pickup crew should just make that request earlier. Or, who knows, maybe they made the request exactly when they wanted to? Most of the whinging about boaters ITT is sour grapes from people who don't have the imagination or resources to do what the boaters did. The rest is some sort of fixation with Trump.
  - JumpCrisscross 6y ago
    > the "deadly gas" was released during that time MMH is not vented on landing. When it’s released, it’s because of a mistake. That’s why the approaching crew take the precautions they do, and don a gas mask when toying with the craft. Nothing bad happened to these boaters. But they were downwind from a substance which, had it leaked, would have put every one of them in the hospital and taken decades off their lives.
    - jessaustin 6y ago
      I was listening to the feed. They clearly discussed the dropping concentrations of both MMH (although I think they called it "MMT"?) and NTO. If they weren't just staging an elaborate ruse, then those substances were going somewhere. At at least one point they asked the crew if they wanted to exit immediately or wait. The crew replied they were happy to "hang out" a bit longer. Even though you're flip-flopping (in the same paragraph) about whether there was a dangerous condition, you do seem to concede that shooting people is not the way to rescue them. So, you're ahead of most USA national security experts.
      - gpm 6y ago
        The gas being discussed appears to have been remennants from the use of the thrusters on orbit or something. They were very explicit that there was not a leak. Hanging out a bit longer meant staying inside the capsule longer instead of seeing a doctor sooner to avoid exposing themselves and more of the crew to those fumes. They were at 2.5ppm if I recall the radio chatter correctly.

> shooting the boaters Straw man [1]. The Coast Guard would be expected to deter, ticket and, in the most extreme circumstances, disable craft. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

jessaustin 6y ago
This whole discussion is straw. The dude piddling around with the hatch on deck wasn't wearing anything for at least forty minutes, then he wore an oxygen mask for about ten minutes. Presumably the "deadly gas" was released during that time. He was touching the capsule. None of the boaters got within a boat length, and they backed off when requested. In future the pickup crew should just make that request earlier. Or, who knows, maybe they made the request exactly when they wanted to? Most of the whinging about boaters ITT is sour grapes from people who don't have the imagination or resources to do what the boaters did. The rest is some sort of fixation with Trump.
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago
  > the "deadly gas" was released during that time MMH is not vented on landing. When it’s released, it’s because of a mistake. That’s why the approaching crew take the precautions they do, and don a gas mask when toying with the craft. Nothing bad happened to these boaters. But they were downwind from a substance which, had it leaked, would have put every one of them in the hospital and taken decades off their lives.
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    I was listening to the feed. They clearly discussed the dropping concentrations of both MMH (although I think they called it "MMT"?) and NTO. If they weren't just staging an elaborate ruse, then those substances were going somewhere. At at least one point they asked the crew if they wanted to exit immediately or wait. The crew replied they were happy to "hang out" a bit longer. Even though you're flip-flopping (in the same paragraph) about whether there was a dangerous condition, you do seem to concede that shooting people is not the way to rescue them. So, you're ahead of most USA national security experts.
    - gpm 6y ago
      The gas being discussed appears to have been remennants from the use of the thrusters on orbit or something. They were very explicit that there was not a leak. Hanging out a bit longer meant staying inside the capsule longer instead of seeing a doctor sooner to avoid exposing themselves and more of the crew to those fumes. They were at 2.5ppm if I recall the radio chatter correctly.