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> by preventing members of the other party from voting This is so absurdly dramatic. Just about everything is back open and ppl agree that wearing a mask basic

by jb775 6y ago

> by preventing members of the other party from voting This is so absurdly dramatic. Just about everything is back open and ppl agree that wearing a mask basically removes all risk. If ppl want to vote, they can get off their ass and go vote. And from a security standpoint, how can you say this with a straight face? Some of the hardest modern struggles in the tech industry revolve around security...and you're over here acting like mailing in paper ballots, with no authentication/encryption/verification is a secure practice. All it takes is one or a few bad actors to skew the results. Look up cognitive dissonance, I think it's hitting you hard here.

chillwaves 6y ago
You will need to find some evidence of voter fraud for mail in ballots. Many states have it as an option and it hasn't happened. The military regularly votes by mail and it hasn't happened. It's funny you open your reply about "absurdly dramatic" then lay an equally absurd claim about vote-by-mail having a problem with fraud. Your reply also conveniently ignores the historical pattern of voter suppression coming from the Republican party. It seems in America, some constitutional rights are more protected than others.
- Simulacra 6y ago
  But the military I think we can trust more than the Postal Service, every time we hear of a postal employee destroying or throwing away mail should be a significant enough reason that the agency is simply not ready to take this on. Maybe at the next election, maybe with a significantly more funding, transparency, and security, but not now. Mail in voting would be great, but not now. It’s far too dangerous.
  - creato 6y ago
    Tell that to people that live in Colorado, Oregon, Washington, or (mostly) Utah. They've been voting by mail for years. I'd worry a lot more about computerized election systems before voting by mail. I think people are too worried about individual votes/errors. 0.0x% of ballots being lost/not counted/etc. is a problem with any election system ("hanging chads", signatures not matching well, ...), not just voting by mail. The question should be how hard is it to pull off a large scale disruption/fraud without being detected.
  - tigershark 6y ago
    Your own current president always votes by mail. If it’s fine for him why on Earth do you think that it’s not fine for everyone else?
  - chillwaves 6y ago
    The coronavirus has been recognized as an issue since before March. The only reason why there is not better safeguards in place for vote by mail is because the ruling party does not want it to happen.
- jb775 6y ago
  You realize the polling places WILL BE OPEN. No one is taking away anyone's constitutional right, you're just playing the victim card. The left only cares about this bc they want the votes of the bottom-feeders of society, who are too lazy to vote. It's also why the left wants criminals in jails to be able to vote. Chasing those votes shows you right there the misguided mindset of the democratic party.
  - eggsmediumrare 6y ago
    Right, the bottom feeders... The people slaving away at two minimum wage jobs trying to make ends meet? The criminals... The small time weed dealers who decided they didn't want to work two minimum wage jobs to make ends meet? Demeaning these people shows you right there the misguided mindset of the arrogant.
    - jb775 6y ago
      I don't have a problem with people like that, I have a problem with people like you acting like you're their friend until it actually costs you something. And I have a problem with the left painting a facade of caring, then implementing policies and taxes that eventually backsplatter all over those people, and leaves them holding the bag. Your mindset is what lays the groundwork for systemic problems...see Joe Biden's political activity from years ago which laid the foundation for small-time drug dealers to do hard time. The harmful effects don't show up until about 10 levels down the line, but you're too entitled to see past the first few. fyi done commenting on this thread since ppl downvote based on politics
      - eggsmediumrare 6y ago
        Sometimes when you find yourself throwing out baseless accusations and making sweeping generalizations about the root causes of complex systemic issues, it can be useful to step back and ask yourself if your opinion is really bulletproof and rooted in reality, or if you just think it is. btw calling people bottom feeders generally implies that you have a problem with them.
  - 6y ago
mypalmike 6y ago
The fact that you're not familiar with the ballot authentication and verification mechanisms used in mail-in voting suggests a starting point for your research.
wtallis 6y ago
> All it takes is one or a few bad actors to skew the results. Most elections aren't close enough for the outcome to be swung by the kind of paper ballot fraud that a single person is capable of committing. Unlike electronic hacks, paper ballot fraud doesn't scale.
fiblye 6y ago
Several states have had mail-in voting for years. It only became a political issue a few months ago, and only amongst one party. Meanwhile, rigged voting machines that flip votes have been caught on camera countless times. Zero effort has been made to do anything about that.

by jb775 6y ago

chillwaves 6y ago

You will need to find some evidence of voter fraud for mail in ballots. Many states have it as an option and it hasn't happened. The military regularly votes by mail and it hasn't happened. It's funny you open your reply about "absurdly dramatic" then lay an equally absurd claim about vote-by-mail having a problem with fraud. Your reply also conveniently ignores the historical pattern of voter suppression coming from the Republican party. It seems in America, some constitutional rights are more protected than others.

Simulacra 6y ago
But the military I think we can trust more than the Postal Service, every time we hear of a postal employee destroying or throwing away mail should be a significant enough reason that the agency is simply not ready to take this on. Maybe at the next election, maybe with a significantly more funding, transparency, and security, but not now. Mail in voting would be great, but not now. It’s far too dangerous.
- creato 6y ago
  Tell that to people that live in Colorado, Oregon, Washington, or (mostly) Utah. They've been voting by mail for years. I'd worry a lot more about computerized election systems before voting by mail. I think people are too worried about individual votes/errors. 0.0x% of ballots being lost/not counted/etc. is a problem with any election system ("hanging chads", signatures not matching well, ...), not just voting by mail. The question should be how hard is it to pull off a large scale disruption/fraud without being detected.
- tigershark 6y ago
  Your own current president always votes by mail. If it’s fine for him why on Earth do you think that it’s not fine for everyone else?
- chillwaves 6y ago
  The coronavirus has been recognized as an issue since before March. The only reason why there is not better safeguards in place for vote by mail is because the ruling party does not want it to happen.
jb775 6y ago
You realize the polling places WILL BE OPEN. No one is taking away anyone's constitutional right, you're just playing the victim card. The left only cares about this bc they want the votes of the bottom-feeders of society, who are too lazy to vote. It's also why the left wants criminals in jails to be able to vote. Chasing those votes shows you right there the misguided mindset of the democratic party.
- eggsmediumrare 6y ago
  Right, the bottom feeders... The people slaving away at two minimum wage jobs trying to make ends meet? The criminals... The small time weed dealers who decided they didn't want to work two minimum wage jobs to make ends meet? Demeaning these people shows you right there the misguided mindset of the arrogant.
  - jb775 6y ago
    I don't have a problem with people like that, I have a problem with people like you acting like you're their friend until it actually costs you something. And I have a problem with the left painting a facade of caring, then implementing policies and taxes that eventually backsplatter all over those people, and leaves them holding the bag. Your mindset is what lays the groundwork for systemic problems...see Joe Biden's political activity from years ago which laid the foundation for small-time drug dealers to do hard time. The harmful effects don't show up until about 10 levels down the line, but you're too entitled to see past the first few. fyi done commenting on this thread since ppl downvote based on politics
    - eggsmediumrare 6y ago
      Sometimes when you find yourself throwing out baseless accusations and making sweeping generalizations about the root causes of complex systemic issues, it can be useful to step back and ask yourself if your opinion is really bulletproof and rooted in reality, or if you just think it is. btw calling people bottom feeders generally implies that you have a problem with them.
- 6y ago

mypalmike 6y ago

The fact that you're not familiar with the ballot authentication and verification mechanisms used in mail-in voting suggests a starting point for your research.

wtallis 6y ago

> All it takes is one or a few bad actors to skew the results. Most elections aren't close enough for the outcome to be swung by the kind of paper ballot fraud that a single person is capable of committing. Unlike electronic hacks, paper ballot fraud doesn't scale.

fiblye 6y ago

Several states have had mail-in voting for years. It only became a political issue a few months ago, and only amongst one party. Meanwhile, rigged voting machines that flip votes have been caught on camera countless times. Zero effort has been made to do anything about that.