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I don't know how anything works, but where is the Coast Guard and/or Navy? Isn't security their job?

by mholt 6y ago

ceejayoz 6y ago
I suspect there'll be Coast Guard there next time.
Someone 6y ago
Why would security of commercial space flights be a Navy or Coast Guard job? If they have to get involved, IMO, they should send SpaceX the bill.
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- elcritch 6y ago
  The occupants are NASA astronauts, and SpaceX was hired by NASA to carry them so it’s a clear case of public interest, IMHO. Also if they did bill them NASA would just get the bill and probably marked up.
  - sushshshsh 6y ago
    And yet nothing bad happened
    - JumpCrisscross 6y ago
      > yet nothing bad happened Most of the time, letting your kids play in a Superfund site won’t lead to a bad outcome. That doesn’t make it sensible. Hydrazine didn’t leak this time. That’s good. But it’s a stupid dice to roll.
  - gpm 6y ago
    > Also if they did bill them NASA would just get the bill and probably marked up. It's a fixed cost contract, while SpaceX might push back on accepting the bill in the first place, they are unlikely to be able to redirect it to NASA if they choose to accept the bill. Of course, I would expect to see this cost reflected in all future contracts they and anyone else signs with NASA.
- libraryatnight 6y ago
  NASA hired SpaceX for transport.
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- koenigdavidmj 6y ago
  The alternative is a private security force having arrest power or otherwise using force over this public area. That’s not necessarily a win.
  - tux1968 6y ago
    That pretty well is the law of the high seas isn't it? Remember seeing a video a few years back of a private security force shooting at pirate ships from the deck of a cargo ship. Although as soon as I wrote that, I realize that's outside of territorial waters in international areas.
    - Junk_Collector 6y ago
      The US Train system sports the only US based private security that has full arrest authority. Maritime law is a bit of a special case and falls under international treaties.
- skissane 6y ago
  Does the US Navy or Coast Guard have the legal ability to bill private companies for those kinds of services? Government agencies can only impose fees and charges on private entities where those are authorised (directly or indirectly) by legislation. And agencies have far greater discretion to make contracts in which they are the customer than those in which they are the vendor. The later kind of contracts generally need approval at a far more senior level than the former (in some cases even requiring approval by the legislature).

I don't know how anything works, but where is the Coast Guard and/or Navy? Isn't security their job?

by mholt 6y ago

I don't know how anything works, but where is the Coast Guard and/or Navy? Isn't security their job?

ceejayoz 6y ago

I suspect there'll be Coast Guard there next time.

Someone 6y ago

Why would security of commercial space flights be a Navy or Coast Guard job? If they have to get involved, IMO, they should send SpaceX the bill.

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elcritch 6y ago
The occupants are NASA astronauts, and SpaceX was hired by NASA to carry them so it’s a clear case of public interest, IMHO. Also if they did bill them NASA would just get the bill and probably marked up.
- sushshshsh 6y ago
  And yet nothing bad happened
  - JumpCrisscross 6y ago
    > yet nothing bad happened Most of the time, letting your kids play in a Superfund site won’t lead to a bad outcome. That doesn’t make it sensible. Hydrazine didn’t leak this time. That’s good. But it’s a stupid dice to roll.
- gpm 6y ago
  > Also if they did bill them NASA would just get the bill and probably marked up. It's a fixed cost contract, while SpaceX might push back on accepting the bill in the first place, they are unlikely to be able to redirect it to NASA if they choose to accept the bill. Of course, I would expect to see this cost reflected in all future contracts they and anyone else signs with NASA.
libraryatnight 6y ago
NASA hired SpaceX for transport.
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koenigdavidmj 6y ago
The alternative is a private security force having arrest power or otherwise using force over this public area. That’s not necessarily a win.
- tux1968 6y ago
  That pretty well is the law of the high seas isn't it? Remember seeing a video a few years back of a private security force shooting at pirate ships from the deck of a cargo ship. Although as soon as I wrote that, I realize that's outside of territorial waters in international areas.
  - Junk_Collector 6y ago
    The US Train system sports the only US based private security that has full arrest authority. Maritime law is a bit of a special case and falls under international treaties.
skissane 6y ago
Does the US Navy or Coast Guard have the legal ability to bill private companies for those kinds of services? Government agencies can only impose fees and charges on private entities where those are authorised (directly or indirectly) by legislation. And agencies have far greater discretion to make contracts in which they are the customer than those in which they are the vendor. The later kind of contracts generally need approval at a far more senior level than the former (in some cases even requiring approval by the legislature).