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> It is full of Apple (and other corporate) apologists Just because someone has a different opinion to yours doesn't make them an "apologist". Especially give

> It is full of Apple (and other corporate) apologists Just because someone has a different opinion to yours doesn't make them an "apologist". Especially given that your opinion that every company needs to spin off their internal units into seperate companies is frankly insane.

echelon 6y ago
> Just because someone has a different opinion to yours doesn't make them an "apologist". When people dismiss the harm caused by the 30% tax, the lack of other ways to install software, the draconian rules and enforcement, the pain of developing for two completely different platforms, and the erosion of web tech, it's hard to see them as empathetic colleagues. We're being shaken down here. It hurts. And we're mad.
- redwall_hp 6y ago
  Yep. I like iOS, and the value of iPhones is excellent. But I have an enormous problem with the App Store being the sole means of installing software. Especially since it's curated in step with Apple's puritanical corporate moralism. How many stories have we seen about social networking apps being suspended from the app store because it's possible to view nude images? That's not really any concern of Apple's. How about when they started kicking out apps for controlling vaping devices? I detest people smoking/vaping around me as much as anyone, but I don't think Apple should be able to wield their vendor lock-in inflict their views on others. This isn't even about markets or Apple choosing what they want to sell or other fluff. Apple has made themselves the gatekeeper of an expensive device tightly integrated into peoples' day-to-day lives, and is actively abusing that position to control individuals and profiteer egregiously by controlling what software is allowed in. It's as if the company that made your car blocked you from listening to metal or rap inside it, and took 30% of the cost of every gallon of fuel.
- innagadadavida 6y ago
  As an phone user, I don’t care about your app being available or not - there are three other alternatives and they all at equally good. I’m pretty sure the same situation holds for Android. All your arguments apply equally to the US federal income tax. Try to sue the government on that and see where you end up. We all hate taxes as much as the next guy. Picking a stupid fight instead of focussing on your product will be detrimental to you and you will lose users. Just because you are part of a loud crowd doesn’t make you right or have the moral high ground.
- rodgerd 6y ago
  "The erosion of web tech". LoL. I'm sorry you can't simply sink into a comfortable Google browser monopoly because one company has managed to ship something other than Chrome. But that's no bad thing.
  - echelon 6y ago
    Google needs to be stripped of Chrome. But that's another debate.

echelon 6y ago

> Just because someone has a different opinion to yours doesn't make them an "apologist". When people dismiss the harm caused by the 30% tax, the lack of other ways to install software, the draconian rules and enforcement, the pain of developing for two completely different platforms, and the erosion of web tech, it's hard to see them as empathetic colleagues. We're being shaken down here. It hurts. And we're mad.

redwall_hp 6y ago
Yep. I like iOS, and the value of iPhones is excellent. But I have an enormous problem with the App Store being the sole means of installing software. Especially since it's curated in step with Apple's puritanical corporate moralism. How many stories have we seen about social networking apps being suspended from the app store because it's possible to view nude images? That's not really any concern of Apple's. How about when they started kicking out apps for controlling vaping devices? I detest people smoking/vaping around me as much as anyone, but I don't think Apple should be able to wield their vendor lock-in inflict their views on others. This isn't even about markets or Apple choosing what they want to sell or other fluff. Apple has made themselves the gatekeeper of an expensive device tightly integrated into peoples' day-to-day lives, and is actively abusing that position to control individuals and profiteer egregiously by controlling what software is allowed in. It's as if the company that made your car blocked you from listening to metal or rap inside it, and took 30% of the cost of every gallon of fuel.
innagadadavida 6y ago
As an phone user, I don’t care about your app being available or not - there are three other alternatives and they all at equally good. I’m pretty sure the same situation holds for Android. All your arguments apply equally to the US federal income tax. Try to sue the government on that and see where you end up. We all hate taxes as much as the next guy. Picking a stupid fight instead of focussing on your product will be detrimental to you and you will lose users. Just because you are part of a loud crowd doesn’t make you right or have the moral high ground.
rodgerd 6y ago
"The erosion of web tech". LoL. I'm sorry you can't simply sink into a comfortable Google browser monopoly because one company has managed to ship something other than Chrome. But that's no bad thing.
- echelon 6y ago
  Google needs to be stripped of Chrome. But that's another debate.