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> I am sure that if PASemi is spun off Apple, it may be the hottest CPU company in the world. This may be true, but it seems hard to make the case that Apple i

> I am sure that if PASemi is spun off Apple, it may be the hottest CPU company in the world. This may be true, but it seems hard to make the case that Apple is using monopoly power to stifle innovation in the CPU market, of all things. > I am sure that the Apple services will also do better outside the Apple hardware group. Really? I'm not at all sure that Apple Music, for instance, would be competitive with Spotify if it wasn't bundled with iOS devices -- I can't think of any other unbundled music service that's competitive with them. (And how many of your Android-using friends are Apple Music subscribers? It's technically possible, right?) Likewise, would lots of people be lining up to use iCloud if Macs, iPhones and iPads started with what amounts to "click here to use iCloud?" iMessage, maybe? Eh, maybe, but. > In fact, many good things may happen in the long term by actually applying the anti-monopoly laws and breaking up a few companies instead of working around the laws. Sure, but I'm not convinced the problems with Apple's App Store policies are best addressed by forcing Apple to spin off "The App Store Company." They'd be much better addressed by forcing Apple to allow sideloading of apps (probably using the "Gatekeeper" technology they already have in place on Macs, which I naïvely thought would have come to iOS by now) and relaxing in-app purchase rules to the point where apps that don't -- or can't, like Amazon Kindle -- use Apple's in-app purchase framework can at least tell you how to buy content from it. Hell, as some HN nerds would tell you, you could get a huge chunk of the way there simply by forcing Apple to build full PWA support into WebKit. None of those things require Apple to be broken up in any material way. Also, side note: > Google executives were saying some years ago that if Android was not part of Google, it would have been one of hottest startups in the valley. You know Android was one of the hottest startups in the Valley and that's why Google bought them, right? :) (Arguably hotter than PA Semi was when Apple bought them!)

veselin 6y ago
Agreed for PASemi and Android. They were hot, certainly they won in the short-mid term by being part of the bigger organizations. But by now, I think it severely limits their possible impact. All the big app stores that are also part of another purchase (e.g. hardware in this case) will almost inevitably have monopoly problems (nobody can compete with Apple on speed of devices so Apple can raise the "prices" of apps). You are talking about the technical aspect that sideloading should be allowed (i.e. some competition), but this is not enough - eventually this competition should have some form of an "equal" start, probably by allowing them to install the market from the App Store, which is what Telegram wanted in their case.

veselin 6y ago

Agreed for PASemi and Android. They were hot, certainly they won in the short-mid term by being part of the bigger organizations. But by now, I think it severely limits their possible impact. All the big app stores that are also part of another purchase (e.g. hardware in this case) will almost inevitably have monopoly problems (nobody can compete with Apple on speed of devices so Apple can raise the "prices" of apps). You are talking about the technical aspect that sideloading should be allowed (i.e. some competition), but this is not enough - eventually this competition should have some form of an "equal" start, probably by allowing them to install the market from the App Store, which is what Telegram wanted in their case.