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I'll take cloud first thanks. No software to update. Nothing to backup. I just open a computer/phone/tablet and access my stuff. I get the tradeoffs. I'm not g

I'll take cloud first thanks. No software to update. Nothing to backup. I just open a computer/phone/tablet and access my stuff. I get the tradeoffs. I'm not going back 10+ years.

oblib 6y ago
It's actually pretty easy to integrate the two. I've done that with the latest version of one of my apps.
- harpratap 6y ago
  How do you sync data between devices if you don't use cloud?
  - anilgulecha 6y ago
    A lot research has been done in this. The OP article is on the same topic - offline-first and local-first stores exists: whether as DBs (pouch/couch) or as data structures (CRDTs or OTs) like yjs. These automatically sync to the cloud. Usage is lower, as most commercial applications prefer cloud lockin.
    - sebastianz 6y ago
      >> How do you sync data between devices if you don't use cloud? > [...] These automatically sync to the cloud. [...]
      - anilgulecha 6y ago
        They do need to talk to each other. But yes, yjs can actually sync over ipfs/dat, or direct webrtc as well. Those are options too.
robenkleene 6y ago
Out of curiosity, how do think about the prospect of being arbitrarily locked out of your account if you’re mainly using cloud-first software? (E.g., you can find example horror stories here on Hacker News: https://www.google.com/search?q=locked+out+of+gsuite+site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+&t=ipad&ia=web https://www.google.com/search?q=locked+out+of+gsuite+site%3A...)
- CPUstring 6y ago
  One of those stories is having a bad password memory. One is a person conducting business on his personal account and triggering flags. Another is a business messing up. It's a good habit to keep multiple interlocking personal email accounts from multiple providers, but being cloud-first is still obviously correct.
  - robenkleene 6y ago
    What does "multiple interlocking personal email accounts from multiple providers" mean? Just to be clear, regarding the "being cloud-first is still obviously correct", your stance is that it's ok for your access to your life's work being at the discretion a company? (Presumably one you trust.) Not saying you're wrong here, just curious how people who are all-in on the cloud think about this.
fsflover 6y ago
> Nothing to backup. What could go wrong...

I'll take cloud first thanks. No software to update. Nothing to backup. I just open a computer/phone/tablet and access my stuff. I get the tradeoffs. I'm not going back 10+ years.

oblib 6y ago

It's actually pretty easy to integrate the two. I've done that with the latest version of one of my apps.

harpratap 6y ago
How do you sync data between devices if you don't use cloud?
- anilgulecha 6y ago
  A lot research has been done in this. The OP article is on the same topic - offline-first and local-first stores exists: whether as DBs (pouch/couch) or as data structures (CRDTs or OTs) like yjs. These automatically sync to the cloud. Usage is lower, as most commercial applications prefer cloud lockin.
  - sebastianz 6y ago
    >> How do you sync data between devices if you don't use cloud? > [...] These automatically sync to the cloud. [...]
    - anilgulecha 6y ago
      They do need to talk to each other. But yes, yjs can actually sync over ipfs/dat, or direct webrtc as well. Those are options too.

robenkleene 6y ago

Out of curiosity, how do think about the prospect of being arbitrarily locked out of your account if you’re mainly using cloud-first software? (E.g., you can find example horror stories here on Hacker News: https://www.google.com/search?q=locked+out+of+gsuite+site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+&t=ipad&ia=web https://www.google.com/search?q=locked+out+of+gsuite+site%3A...)

CPUstring 6y ago
One of those stories is having a bad password memory. One is a person conducting business on his personal account and triggering flags. Another is a business messing up. It's a good habit to keep multiple interlocking personal email accounts from multiple providers, but being cloud-first is still obviously correct.
- robenkleene 6y ago
  What does "multiple interlocking personal email accounts from multiple providers" mean? Just to be clear, regarding the "being cloud-first is still obviously correct", your stance is that it's ok for your access to your life's work being at the discretion a company? (Presumably one you trust.) Not saying you're wrong here, just curious how people who are all-in on the cloud think about this.

fsflover 6y ago

> Nothing to backup. What could go wrong...