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> and neither do those who support the “social justice” They certainly count them as white when complaining about representation in Hollywood.

AmericanChopper 6y ago
Of course, their whiteness depends on the circumstances. They’re white when it’s time to complain about the oppressive white establishment, and not white when it’s time to talk about how they’re an oppressed ethnic minority. It’s the same way that an Indian is an oppressed person of color when they want to soapbox about progressive race issues, but absolutely not when it’s time to meet the diversity quota, or fill out college admissions forms.
- zozbot234 6y ago
  Irish, Polish, Catholics etc. are all "oppressed ethnic minorities" within the broader white population, yet few would regard them as not white.
  - AmericanChopper 6y ago
    That is completely true, and I imagine that if any of the atrocities committed against Irish, Scottish, Polish, Catholics (the list goes on really) had been as prominent in our culture as study of the Holocaust has been, then you would find the same hypocrisy there too. Questioning the scope and scale of Jewish oppression is (quite rightly) absolutely not tolerated in our society, however doing the same for Irish oppression for instance is perfectly acceptable. https://www.jstor.org/stable/3790116?seq=1 https://www.jstor.org/stable/3790116?seq=1 More recently this line of reasoning has been quite thoroughly debunked, but you’d be forgiven if you never really knew the Irish were ever oppressed, not noticing that disputing this was common place or not noticing that such denials have been proven false. Outside of some high Irish density areas, these topics have never been a significant part of our culture. So a white Irishman saying “I too have grievances of historical oppression” isn’t going to be taken all that seriously, whereas a Jewish complaint would be. Which is really what my whole point has been in this thread. When you start grouping people together in large numbers, you deny them any level of individual identity, or shared culture that may set them apart from other group members. When you do this along the lines of skin color or ethnicity, you’re just being racist.
- atomi 6y ago
  I'm hearing a lot of oppression of Palestinians coming out of Israel. I think it's our obligation to call out oppression no matter who's committing it.
- m0zg 6y ago
  Ethnic minority is not really considered as minority status at all. I'm ethnically Russian, an ethnic minority, yet nobody has tried to wash my feet in the US quite yet. Nor am I eligible for any kind of affirmative action. Come to think of it, maybe we, ethnic minorities, should try to get in on this racket, to expose the absurdity of it all.

AmericanChopper 6y ago

Of course, their whiteness depends on the circumstances. They’re white when it’s time to complain about the oppressive white establishment, and not white when it’s time to talk about how they’re an oppressed ethnic minority. It’s the same way that an Indian is an oppressed person of color when they want to soapbox about progressive race issues, but absolutely not when it’s time to meet the diversity quota, or fill out college admissions forms.

zozbot234 6y ago
Irish, Polish, Catholics etc. are all "oppressed ethnic minorities" within the broader white population, yet few would regard them as not white.
- AmericanChopper 6y ago
  That is completely true, and I imagine that if any of the atrocities committed against Irish, Scottish, Polish, Catholics (the list goes on really) had been as prominent in our culture as study of the Holocaust has been, then you would find the same hypocrisy there too. Questioning the scope and scale of Jewish oppression is (quite rightly) absolutely not tolerated in our society, however doing the same for Irish oppression for instance is perfectly acceptable. https://www.jstor.org/stable/3790116?seq=1 https://www.jstor.org/stable/3790116?seq=1 More recently this line of reasoning has been quite thoroughly debunked, but you’d be forgiven if you never really knew the Irish were ever oppressed, not noticing that disputing this was common place or not noticing that such denials have been proven false. Outside of some high Irish density areas, these topics have never been a significant part of our culture. So a white Irishman saying “I too have grievances of historical oppression” isn’t going to be taken all that seriously, whereas a Jewish complaint would be. Which is really what my whole point has been in this thread. When you start grouping people together in large numbers, you deny them any level of individual identity, or shared culture that may set them apart from other group members. When you do this along the lines of skin color or ethnicity, you’re just being racist.
atomi 6y ago
I'm hearing a lot of oppression of Palestinians coming out of Israel. I think it's our obligation to call out oppression no matter who's committing it.
m0zg 6y ago
Ethnic minority is not really considered as minority status at all. I'm ethnically Russian, an ethnic minority, yet nobody has tried to wash my feet in the US quite yet. Nor am I eligible for any kind of affirmative action. Come to think of it, maybe we, ethnic minorities, should try to get in on this racket, to expose the absurdity of it all.