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> nurses, teachers, HR and many more professions are overwhelmingly female dominated, yet nobody is complaining about that, is it? When is the last time you re

by DanBC 6y ago

> nurses, teachers, HR and many more professions are overwhelmingly female dominated, yet nobody is complaining about that, is it? When is the last time you read a nursing magazine, or did a web search for information about increasing the numbers of male nurses? People do complain about these things.

acituan 6y ago
The difference is for some sectors this topic appears frequently on the mainstream media while what you suggest requires checking dedicated specialists publications or active intention of search. That is precisely the problem, what determines the difference in which sectors’ diversity problems deserve most public attention and why.
- foldr 6y ago
  The issue of the gender ratio in nursing does appear in the mainstream media too.
  - acituan 6y ago
    I'm sure there is an odd piece here and there. But certainly not covered as frequently and as prominently as tech. To give context, US has almost exactly the same number of software engineers and nurses (~4 million).
    - foldr 6y ago
      Evidence for this? Tech overall is in the news more than nursing, but there are many stories about male nurses in the mainstream media every year.
mpweiher 6y ago
> People do complain about these things. But how do they complain? Compared to the tech situation, where you don't dare think it might be anything but sexism and oppression. Here's an article in the Guardian about the topic. https://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2017/mar/01/why-so-few-male-nurses https://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2017/mar/01/w... Some choice excerpts: “Nursing is all about the empathy and caring that people show, but those traits are not exclusively female [..]” Let's see, "Tech is all about logic, but those traits are not exclusively male". “Men might find it harder to put into words their caring and compassionate qualities, but can demonstrate them more easily.” -> "Women find it harder to express their technical chops, but they can demonstrate them more easily" "When I was a ward manager, or sister, I did get some people saying: “Shouldn’t you be a brother?” But, actually, no one has ever commented on the fact that I’m a matron and a man." -> Tech language is sexist and must be changed. "Davies questions whether it is the work itself that doesn’t attract men, or whether other factors are to blame" -> If you even dare to suggest that something other than horrible sexism is to blame for the imbalance in tech, no matter the overwhelming evidence, you are censured or fired.

by DanBC 6y ago

acituan 6y ago

The difference is for some sectors this topic appears frequently on the mainstream media while what you suggest requires checking dedicated specialists publications or active intention of search. That is precisely the problem, what determines the difference in which sectors’ diversity problems deserve most public attention and why.

foldr 6y ago
The issue of the gender ratio in nursing does appear in the mainstream media too.
- acituan 6y ago
  I'm sure there is an odd piece here and there. But certainly not covered as frequently and as prominently as tech. To give context, US has almost exactly the same number of software engineers and nurses (~4 million).
  - foldr 6y ago
    Evidence for this? Tech overall is in the news more than nursing, but there are many stories about male nurses in the mainstream media every year.

mpweiher 6y ago

> People do complain about these things. But how do they complain? Compared to the tech situation, where you don't dare think it might be anything but sexism and oppression. Here's an article in the Guardian about the topic. https://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2017/mar/01/why-so-few-male-nurses https://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2017/mar/01/w... Some choice excerpts: “Nursing is all about the empathy and caring that people show, but those traits are not exclusively female [..]” Let's see, "Tech is all about logic, but those traits are not exclusively male". “Men might find it harder to put into words their caring and compassionate qualities, but can demonstrate them more easily.” -> "Women find it harder to express their technical chops, but they can demonstrate them more easily" "When I was a ward manager, or sister, I did get some people saying: “Shouldn’t you be a brother?” But, actually, no one has ever commented on the fact that I’m a matron and a man." -> Tech language is sexist and must be changed. "Davies questions whether it is the work itself that doesn’t attract men, or whether other factors are to blame" -> If you even dare to suggest that something other than horrible sexism is to blame for the imbalance in tech, no matter the overwhelming evidence, you are censured or fired.