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The technical argument from the court is quite intriguing. The Supreme Court justice only wants to prevent access to the blocked profiles within Brazil. Howeve

The technical argument from the court is quite intriguing. The Supreme Court justice only wants to prevent access to the blocked profiles within Brazil. However, he says Facebook should not allow Brazilians themselves to view such profiles by “subterfuge” (by changing their registered country on Facebook settings or using VPNs, according to the Court’s tech advisors). In the end, the most efficient way for Facebook to comply with this order is a worldwide ban. Facebook may have a shot at reversing the ban and the fines on its appeal. But it certainly doesn't help that several previous orders on this case had been ignored before.

cma 6y ago
The plus side may be that social media is split up country by country and communicates via federation. Then ad revenue from zero sum competitive spending can remain in country instead of 15% of small business income and taxi dispatch fees flowing out of the countries to a couple winner take all, first mover advantage, megacorps located in America.
- ben_w 6y ago
  While that sounds desirable in itself, I don’t think it would actually solve the issue the judge is concerned about.
  - emn13 6y ago
    It would render american social media largely irrelevant in brazil, and vice versa: some call it the balkanization of the internet. On the one hand, that's a terrible shame - on the other, the extreme lack of accountability and monopolistic power of the internet giants may mean that's the most pragmatic route for some accountability. I'm not sure what to make of all this, but I definitely don't think it's anything simple or clearcut.
irthomasthomas 6y ago
Where did you read the technical arguments? The article doesn't mention them. In fact, the article is very light on information, and only left me confused about the situation, like why are the presidents supporters calling for a coup? And how does blocking a dozen accounts change anything, really? Would the people behind them not simply open more sockpuppet accounts?
- ratww 6y ago
  > why are the presidents supporters calling for a coup Acts asking for a militar coup have been happening for the last few years among the radical right. Their demands are not clear enough, so most news reports are about them happening and events surrounded them, such as the president appearing in some of them. [1] [2] --- I'm not going to guess what they want, so let's just translate what their banners say. Hopefully I can be unbiased. - "Military intervention / Close the supreme court and congress / With Bolsonaro as president" [3] - "Military tribunal", "Criminalize Communism", among others I can't read [4]. - "Military intervention so that Bolsonaro can govern". In the back: "criminalize communism" [5]. - "AI-5 with Bolsonaro in power" [6]. The last one is about AI-5. AI-5, according to Wiki: "resulted in the forfeiture of mandates, interventions ordered by the President in municipalities and states and also in the suspension of any constitutional guarantees which eventually resulted in the institutionalization of the torture commonly used as a tool by the State." [7] The previous reference is in english. --- > And how does blocking a dozen accounts change anything, really? Would the people behind them not simply open more sockpuppet accounts? Some of them are under house arrest and forbidden from using social networks. [7] The others are stopped for different reasons, but according to a news website "there's still no information about the reasons". [8] If they open sock puppets, this will probably be dealt with in a case by case basis. --- Sorry for the excessive number of sources. This is still ongoing and very hard to explain, so I have no recourse. [1] https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/brasil-52353804 https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/brasil-52353804 [2] https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2020/04/19/bolsonaro-discursa-em-manifestacao-em-brasilia-que-defendeu-intervencao-militar.ghtml https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2020/04/19/bolsonaro-d... [3] https://media.gazetadopovo.com.br/2020/04/22162620/manifestacao-intervencao-brasilia-sergio-lima-afp-960x540.jpg https://media.gazetadopovo.com.br/2020/04/22162620/manifesta... / https://mediastorage.cnnbrasil.com.br/IMAGES/00/00/00/3368_745E8B537C8E0C3D.jpg https://mediastorage.cnnbrasil.com.br/IMAGES/00/00/00/3368_7... [4] https://conteudo.imguol.com.br/c/noticias/c0/2020/06/21/21062020---ato-de-apoiadores-de-bolsonaro-tem-pedidos-anticonstitucionais-de-intervencao-militar-1592766183921_v2_450x337.jpg https://conteudo.imguol.com.br/c/noticias/c0/2020/06/21/2106... [5] https://static.poder360.com.br/2020/06/Apoiadores-Bolsonaro-QG-Exercito-IntervencaoMilitar-Constituicao-comunismo-27-868x644.jpg https://static.poder360.com.br/2020/06/Apoiadores-Bolsonaro-... [6] https://static.poder360.com.br/2020/04/bolsonaro-AI-5.jpg https://static.poder360.com.br/2020/04/bolsonaro-AI-5.jpg [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_Act_Number_Five https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_Act_Number_Five [8] https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/brasil-53570792 https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/brasil-53570792 [9] https://economia.ig.com.br/2020-07-31/luciano-hang-da-havan-tem-conta-retida-no-twitter-pela-justica.html https://economia.ig.com.br/2020-07-31/luciano-hang-da-havan-...

cma 6y ago

The plus side may be that social media is split up country by country and communicates via federation. Then ad revenue from zero sum competitive spending can remain in country instead of 15% of small business income and taxi dispatch fees flowing out of the countries to a couple winner take all, first mover advantage, megacorps located in America.

ben_w 6y ago
While that sounds desirable in itself, I don’t think it would actually solve the issue the judge is concerned about.
- emn13 6y ago
  It would render american social media largely irrelevant in brazil, and vice versa: some call it the balkanization of the internet. On the one hand, that's a terrible shame - on the other, the extreme lack of accountability and monopolistic power of the internet giants may mean that's the most pragmatic route for some accountability. I'm not sure what to make of all this, but I definitely don't think it's anything simple or clearcut.

irthomasthomas 6y ago

Where did you read the technical arguments? The article doesn't mention them. In fact, the article is very light on information, and only left me confused about the situation, like why are the presidents supporters calling for a coup? And how does blocking a dozen accounts change anything, really? Would the people behind them not simply open more sockpuppet accounts?

ratww 6y ago
> why are the presidents supporters calling for a coup Acts asking for a militar coup have been happening for the last few years among the radical right. Their demands are not clear enough, so most news reports are about them happening and events surrounded them, such as the president appearing in some of them. [1] [2] --- I'm not going to guess what they want, so let's just translate what their banners say. Hopefully I can be unbiased. - "Military intervention / Close the supreme court and congress / With Bolsonaro as president" [3] - "Military tribunal", "Criminalize Communism", among others I can't read [4]. - "Military intervention so that Bolsonaro can govern". In the back: "criminalize communism" [5]. - "AI-5 with Bolsonaro in power" [6]. The last one is about AI-5. AI-5, according to Wiki: "resulted in the forfeiture of mandates, interventions ordered by the President in municipalities and states and also in the suspension of any constitutional guarantees which eventually resulted in the institutionalization of the torture commonly used as a tool by the State." [7] The previous reference is in english. --- > And how does blocking a dozen accounts change anything, really? Would the people behind them not simply open more sockpuppet accounts? Some of them are under house arrest and forbidden from using social networks. [7] The others are stopped for different reasons, but according to a news website "there's still no information about the reasons". [8] If they open sock puppets, this will probably be dealt with in a case by case basis. --- Sorry for the excessive number of sources. This is still ongoing and very hard to explain, so I have no recourse. [1] https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/brasil-52353804 https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/brasil-52353804 [2] https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2020/04/19/bolsonaro-discursa-em-manifestacao-em-brasilia-que-defendeu-intervencao-militar.ghtml https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2020/04/19/bolsonaro-d... [3] https://media.gazetadopovo.com.br/2020/04/22162620/manifestacao-intervencao-brasilia-sergio-lima-afp-960x540.jpg https://media.gazetadopovo.com.br/2020/04/22162620/manifesta... / https://mediastorage.cnnbrasil.com.br/IMAGES/00/00/00/3368_745E8B537C8E0C3D.jpg https://mediastorage.cnnbrasil.com.br/IMAGES/00/00/00/3368_7... [4] https://conteudo.imguol.com.br/c/noticias/c0/2020/06/21/21062020---ato-de-apoiadores-de-bolsonaro-tem-pedidos-anticonstitucionais-de-intervencao-militar-1592766183921_v2_450x337.jpg https://conteudo.imguol.com.br/c/noticias/c0/2020/06/21/2106... [5] https://static.poder360.com.br/2020/06/Apoiadores-Bolsonaro-QG-Exercito-IntervencaoMilitar-Constituicao-comunismo-27-868x644.jpg https://static.poder360.com.br/2020/06/Apoiadores-Bolsonaro-... [6] https://static.poder360.com.br/2020/04/bolsonaro-AI-5.jpg https://static.poder360.com.br/2020/04/bolsonaro-AI-5.jpg [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_Act_Number_Five https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_Act_Number_Five [8] https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/brasil-53570792 https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/brasil-53570792 [9] https://economia.ig.com.br/2020-07-31/luciano-hang-da-havan-tem-conta-retida-no-twitter-pela-justica.html https://economia.ig.com.br/2020-07-31/luciano-hang-da-havan-...