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If the government wants to restrict the ability of Chinese business to grow in the US, that's fine, but it should be under the existing framework of law that we
by jackson1442 6y ago
If the government wants to restrict the ability of Chinese business to grow in the US, that's fine, but it should be under the existing framework of law that we follow. This should be passed through Congress and the SC as a law, not an executive order.
We have Checks & Balances for a reason.
- ganfortran 6y agoI doubt that is the case. Look up how Japanese companies are treated in late 80s and 90s. When one felt under threat, all rules will be forgone.
- puranjay 6y agoFree Market for me, not for thee
- cscurmudgeon 6y agoIs China a free market for non-Chinese companies?
- s3r3nity 6y agoDon't know why this is getting downvoted - it's a legitimate (albeit rhetorical) question highlighting that China has never allowed western companies to compete fairly in their market. See: Google, Facebook, etc. etc.
- cscurmudgeon 6y agoThank you. I have resorted to asking rhetorical questions as we are now at a stage where stating obvious true facts about certain topics is taboo. We are now witnessing the beginnings of the great social media struggle session. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-session-11552003346 https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-sess...
- puranjay 6y agoDoes China even pretend to be? What comes to your mind when you think of China - Adam Smith or Karl Marx?
- jackson1442 6y agoDoes it matter? This is a discussion about the law of the United States, and last I checked we do not follow Chinese law. I'll reiterate my point from above-- if the US government wants to ban Chinese services, that's fine. I support that decision. What I do not support is doing this via executive order as that is not how laws are passed. If the US were to ban Chinese companies, it should be a law passed through Congress, signed by the president, and approved by the USSC. It should have clear parameters as to what exactly is being banned. It should, again, not be an executive order banning TikTok explicitly as there is nothing inherently bad about being an app called TikTok. tldr if the US government wants to play the "fight fire with fire" card, they should be fighting the whole fire, not just the one that upset the president.
- Zuider 6y agoI think game theory can offer some insight. A tit-for-tat approach has been shown to be an effective long-term strategy over multiple iterations of the Prisoner's Dilemma. Player A will be discouraged from acting adversarially if they have reason to believe that player B will respond in kind.
- marcinzm 6y agoExecutive orders aren't magic, there's some law they will reference as giving the president the power to issue such an order.
- Slartie 6y agoExcept for there being this joker called "national security" which magically allows practically anything to be ordered by the executive, because you can obviously reframe anything into a matter of national security, even short video clips of dancing teenagers.
- threeseed 6y agoLet's be clear apps like TikTok are a threat to national security. Widely deployed apps that capture location data can and have been used to determine the location of military bases and assets.
- alfiedotwtf 6y agoIf an app is a national security threat, maybe people shouldn’t be carrying them around military bases :shrug:
- bezmenov 6y agoTikTok has been banned by the military since last year. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/12/30/army-follows-pentagon-guidance-bans-chinese-owned-tiktok-app.html/amp https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/12/30/army-follows-...
- TheOtherHobbes 6y agoMany of those bases will have baby + home security cameras which are far more obviously a security risk, because they (potentially) send WiFi passwords home. Trump's move is pure theatre. He has no clue about real security and he's throwing his weight around like an attention-seeking child, because that's what he does. This is an entirely orthogonal issue to something that's been missing in the West for decades - a coherent program of IT security and IoT and app standards which define exactly what products and apps can and can't do, and which enforces a testing and certification process to make sure products and services stay within the lines. And also... mandated protections for user data - something the EU is moving towards, but which the US still seems to be having issues with. Between IoT, IT infrastructure, poor corporate security, and unregulated data capture, there are much more serious security threats than the TikTok app.
- scarface74 6y agoWhat checks and balances? The Senate and the judiciary have been rubber stamping everything the President has done over the past four years.