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How is it ok for the US president to ban a media company? How is it ok for the US president to put pressure on the owners of a company to sell to another compan

How is it ok for the US president to ban a media company? How is it ok for the US president to put pressure on the owners of a company to sell to another company? This must violate > 1 article of the constitution.

quantum_state 6y ago
It should be challenged in court. This is a country of rule of law.
- BooneJS 6y ago
  It’s supposed to be. I think we’ve seen recently that laws only matter if they’re enforced. They can’t just exist.
bgorman 6y ago
Why would a media company be special. This type of thing happens all the time, for example the US government banned a Chinese company from purchasing Lattice Semiconductor, the third biggest FPGA company (and really a much smaller player than the big two).
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- javagram 6y ago
  If the president is taking this actions in retaliation for the expression of free speech on the platform (TikTok audience skews young, which is a very anti-trump demographic) that may violate the First Amendment if proven. Viewpoint discrimination is against the first amendment. We know Trump wasn’t offended by the idea that foreign countries might be trying to help him get elected, and has repeatedly called it a “Russia hoax”, but now that a social media app has anti-Trump users it’s suddenly a national security threat without any evidence provided?
  - splintercell 6y ago
    Tiktok is the only platform where Trump supporters aren't banned. Not to mention, (white) zoomers lean very much to the right.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      Right because Twitter isn’t Trump’s favorite platform to bypass the media.
    - Jordrok 6y ago
      > Not to mention, (white) zoomers lean very much to the right. Huh? Where on Earth did you get that idea? From what I've read and observed, it seems like while they may not be self-identifying as "liberal" or Democratic on quite the same level as Millennials, they still seem to hold views which are far from what you'd traditionally call "very much to the right". https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/essay/on-the-cusp-of-adulthood-and-facing-an-uncertain-future-what-we-know-about-gen-z-so-far/ https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/essay/on-the-cusp-of-adultho... https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-changes-political-divides-2019-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-changes-political-divi...
osrec 6y ago
Tiktok users did boycott the Tulsa rally. I think that annoyed him, and this may well be petty retaliation.
- bogomipz 6y ago
  While that is certainly true there has also been significant congressional interest in Tik Tok and possible security implications going back to October of last year. Marco Rubio asked the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, to review TikTok’s acquisition of rival app Musical.ly. The impetus seems to have been a Washington Post story that ran that September[1] that questioned the absence of Hong Kong protests on TikTok in contrast to other social media platforms.[2] Also that same month Chuck Schumer and Tom Cotton sought to have the US intelligence community assess the national security risks of TikTok(and other Chinese-owned platforms) sighting concern about election meddling and influence.[3] [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/09/15/tiktoks-beijing-roots-fuel-censorship-suspicion-it-builds-huge-us-audience/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/09/15/tiktoks... [2] https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/9/20906971/tiktok-censorship-china-bytedance-musically-marco-rubio-senate-mnuchin-cfius-treasury https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/9/20906971/tiktok-censorshi... [3] https://www.cotton.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1239 https://www.cotton.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1239
  - rvz 6y ago
    No idea why you are downvoted given the historical content outlining the controversy of TikTok being a security risk before all these bans taking place. It sounds more than just about the Tulsa rally if even Biden is telling staff to delete the app. [0] These investigations aren’t limited to the US, but Japan and Australia also share these concerns. [1][2] They talk about ‘freedom of speech’ in TikTok which first of all for its US operations, it doesn't apply to private companies like TikTok, FB and Twitter. However the censorship case is far much worse. Anyone who appeared ‘Ugly or Poor’ was censored [3], they ‘apologised’ for censoring BLM posts on the platform at the time calling it a so-called ‘Glitch’ [4] and still actively censor activists or anything against the CCP in order to comply with its censorship laws. If anything, TikTok is far from being a platform to supporting this ‘freedom of speech’ if that ever ‘existed’ before it rose to prominence [5]. [0] https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/10/politics/dnc-warning-tiktok/ https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/10/politics/dnc-warning-tikt... [1] https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200728_39/ https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200728_39/ [2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-02/tiktok-under-investigation-in-australia-over-privacy-concerns/12513466 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-02/tiktok-under-investig... [3] https://theintercept.com/2020/03/16/tiktok-app-moderators-users-discrimination/ https://theintercept.com/2020/03/16/tiktok-app-moderators-us... [4] https://time.com/5863350/tiktok-black-creators/ https://time.com/5863350/tiktok-black-creators/ [5] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/26/tiktok-says-it-doesnt-censor-but-a-user-who-criticized-china-was-locked-out.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/26/tiktok-says-it-doesnt-censor...
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threeseed 6y ago
Mergers are blocked all of the time for competition and security reasons. And the President has the right to ban companies on national security grounds as well. The legal basis for both is very well founded with plenty of precedent.

quantum_state 6y ago

It should be challenged in court. This is a country of rule of law.

BooneJS 6y ago
It’s supposed to be. I think we’ve seen recently that laws only matter if they’re enforced. They can’t just exist.

bgorman 6y ago

Why would a media company be special. This type of thing happens all the time, for example the US government banned a Chinese company from purchasing Lattice Semiconductor, the third biggest FPGA company (and really a much smaller player than the big two).

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javagram 6y ago
If the president is taking this actions in retaliation for the expression of free speech on the platform (TikTok audience skews young, which is a very anti-trump demographic) that may violate the First Amendment if proven. Viewpoint discrimination is against the first amendment. We know Trump wasn’t offended by the idea that foreign countries might be trying to help him get elected, and has repeatedly called it a “Russia hoax”, but now that a social media app has anti-Trump users it’s suddenly a national security threat without any evidence provided?
- splintercell 6y ago
  Tiktok is the only platform where Trump supporters aren't banned. Not to mention, (white) zoomers lean very much to the right.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Right because Twitter isn’t Trump’s favorite platform to bypass the media.
  - Jordrok 6y ago
    > Not to mention, (white) zoomers lean very much to the right. Huh? Where on Earth did you get that idea? From what I've read and observed, it seems like while they may not be self-identifying as "liberal" or Democratic on quite the same level as Millennials, they still seem to hold views which are far from what you'd traditionally call "very much to the right". https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/essay/on-the-cusp-of-adulthood-and-facing-an-uncertain-future-what-we-know-about-gen-z-so-far/ https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/essay/on-the-cusp-of-adultho... https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-changes-political-divides-2019-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-changes-political-divi...

osrec 6y ago

Tiktok users did boycott the Tulsa rally. I think that annoyed him, and this may well be petty retaliation.

bogomipz 6y ago
While that is certainly true there has also been significant congressional interest in Tik Tok and possible security implications going back to October of last year. Marco Rubio asked the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, to review TikTok’s acquisition of rival app Musical.ly. The impetus seems to have been a Washington Post story that ran that September[1] that questioned the absence of Hong Kong protests on TikTok in contrast to other social media platforms.[2] Also that same month Chuck Schumer and Tom Cotton sought to have the US intelligence community assess the national security risks of TikTok(and other Chinese-owned platforms) sighting concern about election meddling and influence.[3] [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/09/15/tiktoks-beijing-roots-fuel-censorship-suspicion-it-builds-huge-us-audience/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/09/15/tiktoks... [2] https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/9/20906971/tiktok-censorship-china-bytedance-musically-marco-rubio-senate-mnuchin-cfius-treasury https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/9/20906971/tiktok-censorshi... [3] https://www.cotton.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1239 https://www.cotton.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1239
- rvz 6y ago
  No idea why you are downvoted given the historical content outlining the controversy of TikTok being a security risk before all these bans taking place. It sounds more than just about the Tulsa rally if even Biden is telling staff to delete the app. [0] These investigations aren’t limited to the US, but Japan and Australia also share these concerns. [1][2] They talk about ‘freedom of speech’ in TikTok which first of all for its US operations, it doesn't apply to private companies like TikTok, FB and Twitter. However the censorship case is far much worse. Anyone who appeared ‘Ugly or Poor’ was censored [3], they ‘apologised’ for censoring BLM posts on the platform at the time calling it a so-called ‘Glitch’ [4] and still actively censor activists or anything against the CCP in order to comply with its censorship laws. If anything, TikTok is far from being a platform to supporting this ‘freedom of speech’ if that ever ‘existed’ before it rose to prominence [5]. [0] https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/10/politics/dnc-warning-tiktok/ https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/10/politics/dnc-warning-tikt... [1] https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200728_39/ https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200728_39/ [2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-02/tiktok-under-investigation-in-australia-over-privacy-concerns/12513466 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-02/tiktok-under-investig... [3] https://theintercept.com/2020/03/16/tiktok-app-moderators-users-discrimination/ https://theintercept.com/2020/03/16/tiktok-app-moderators-us... [4] https://time.com/5863350/tiktok-black-creators/ https://time.com/5863350/tiktok-black-creators/ [5] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/26/tiktok-says-it-doesnt-censor-but-a-user-who-criticized-china-was-locked-out.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/26/tiktok-says-it-doesnt-censor...

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threeseed 6y ago

Mergers are blocked all of the time for competition and security reasons. And the President has the right to ban companies on national security grounds as well. The legal basis for both is very well founded with plenty of precedent.