> whereas Occupy got nowhere Agreed, in terms of overall progress which is why I turned down any offers to come be a part of their events or come do workshops

> whereas Occupy got nowhere Agreed, in terms of overall progress which is why I turned down any offers to come be a part of their events or come do workshops when it was happening. Years later I got to hear about the horrible details from within from one of its more notable and disenfranchised OWLA movement member when we worked together on a CLIM COLAB project for MIT. But what it did reveal was that this was a class-based issue, not a racially profiled one. And that despite all the talking points of equality the US is actually as a class-based Society with an Oligarchical Ruling Class. University degrees and the Institutions have been the gate-keeping to what remains of the Middle class, so it's been an absolute joy to see it be disrupted by COVID as it has had to restructure itself to adapt, and many are questioning the viability of its existence when so many ED-tech solution are available now, after countless scandals and evidence of deep corruption. > I would be very skeptical of the self proclaimed woke people... Agreed, much of whom gravitate to Social Media platforms to re-enforce those ideals and beliefs amongst other 'woksters' in what is a self-affirming (echo-chamber) feedback loop. I contend that if that effort were placed to actual activist pursuits we'd be in a much better position in the World, if you say its occurring I'll have to conclude my participation in this conversation with an optimistic, but highly cautious: we shall see.