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No they didn't, both Facebook and Google decided to quit themselves. Remember Dragonfly? Google just tried to get back into China THIS YEAR and was blocked by t

by _6fmb 6y ago

No they didn't, both Facebook and Google decided to quit themselves. Remember Dragonfly? Google just tried to get back into China THIS YEAR and was blocked by the US government. It's the US that's closing access to China not the other way around.

georgeburdell 6y ago
> Remember Dragonfly? Google just tried to get back into China THIS YEAR and was blocked by the US government. Could you substantiate this claim? Regarding China and Dragonfly, I only remember there being employee and governmental criticism, but no outright ban from doing business in China: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/11/27/google-employees-go-public-protest-china-search-engine-dragonfly/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/11/27/google-...
- _6fmb 6y ago
  Oh please like we need a formal ban to shut things down, it's like America not banning tiktok right? There were hearings and calls by US politicians to stop Dragonfly, after which it was stopped.
  - praveenperera 6y ago
    China bot
albacur 6y ago
Wrong, Facebook was blocked in China following the July 2009 Ürümqi riots because Facebook refused to release information about Xinjiang independence activists. In March 2009, China blocked access to Google's YouTube due to footage showing Chinese security forces beating Tibetans. Access to other Google online services was denied to users arbitrarily. The search engine remained operational under the condition that the government could filter the search results. In January 2010, Google announced that, in response to a Chinese-originated hacking attack on them and other US tech companies, they were no longer willing to censor searches in China and would pull out of the country completely. Also, the government didn't "block" Dragonfly. Google terminated the project after its own employees protested it and politicians criticized it. (All the above from Wikipedia either as direct quotes or paraphrased for brevity.)
- _6fmb 6y ago
  What do you mean wrong? You just supported what I said, both companies decided to leave by themselves, one by not cooperating with authorities after the 9/11 of China, and the other by refusing to censor even though the requirements were very clear for google. They would still have services there if they cooperated like TikTok is cooperating with the US admin. TikTok is clearly a case of protectionism whereas the reverse is not true. The government telling you not to do something is called blocking if you're not being disingenuous.
  - albacur 6y ago
    The companies may have been unblocked if they'd handed over information potentially leading to death of the protestors AND allowed the Chinese state to continue hacking their systems. If we're not being disingenuous, that's like telling your coworker: "If you come into work today, I'll kill this bystander and rob your house," and then saying: "Hmm, I guess they decided by themselves to not to come into work today." (And apparently, Facebook has tried multiple times since to re-enter China in one form or another, and China has either refused or quickly re-banned them: https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/25/17612162/facebook-technology-subsidiary-blocked-china-censor https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/25/17612162/facebook-technol...)
    - _6fmb 6y ago
      Luckily we don't live in a cyberpunk world where corporations are above the state. TikTok is obedient to the state and is still getting banned, the US has no excuses.
- throwaway798754 6y ago
  > Xinjiang independence activists. I just looked this up and the “activists” killed 197 people and injured thousands more during those riots.

by _6fmb 6y ago

georgeburdell 6y ago

> Remember Dragonfly? Google just tried to get back into China THIS YEAR and was blocked by the US government. Could you substantiate this claim? Regarding China and Dragonfly, I only remember there being employee and governmental criticism, but no outright ban from doing business in China: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/11/27/google-employees-go-public-protest-china-search-engine-dragonfly/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/11/27/google-...

_6fmb 6y ago
Oh please like we need a formal ban to shut things down, it's like America not banning tiktok right? There were hearings and calls by US politicians to stop Dragonfly, after which it was stopped.
- praveenperera 6y ago
  China bot

albacur 6y ago

Wrong, Facebook was blocked in China following the July 2009 Ürümqi riots because Facebook refused to release information about Xinjiang independence activists. In March 2009, China blocked access to Google's YouTube due to footage showing Chinese security forces beating Tibetans. Access to other Google online services was denied to users arbitrarily. The search engine remained operational under the condition that the government could filter the search results. In January 2010, Google announced that, in response to a Chinese-originated hacking attack on them and other US tech companies, they were no longer willing to censor searches in China and would pull out of the country completely. Also, the government didn't "block" Dragonfly. Google terminated the project after its own employees protested it and politicians criticized it. (All the above from Wikipedia either as direct quotes or paraphrased for brevity.)

_6fmb 6y ago
What do you mean wrong? You just supported what I said, both companies decided to leave by themselves, one by not cooperating with authorities after the 9/11 of China, and the other by refusing to censor even though the requirements were very clear for google. They would still have services there if they cooperated like TikTok is cooperating with the US admin. TikTok is clearly a case of protectionism whereas the reverse is not true. The government telling you not to do something is called blocking if you're not being disingenuous.
- albacur 6y ago
  The companies may have been unblocked if they'd handed over information potentially leading to death of the protestors AND allowed the Chinese state to continue hacking their systems. If we're not being disingenuous, that's like telling your coworker: "If you come into work today, I'll kill this bystander and rob your house," and then saying: "Hmm, I guess they decided by themselves to not to come into work today." (And apparently, Facebook has tried multiple times since to re-enter China in one form or another, and China has either refused or quickly re-banned them: https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/25/17612162/facebook-technology-subsidiary-blocked-china-censor https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/25/17612162/facebook-technol...)
  - _6fmb 6y ago
    Luckily we don't live in a cyberpunk world where corporations are above the state. TikTok is obedient to the state and is still getting banned, the US has no excuses.
throwaway798754 6y ago
> Xinjiang independence activists. I just looked this up and the “activists” killed 197 people and injured thousands more during those riots.