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> I attribute it to collaborative and cohesive directing of energy. Acknowledged. > You might not be able to see the longer format IGTV stories that people s

> I attribute it to collaborative and cohesive directing of energy. Acknowledged. > You might not be able to see the longer format IGTV stories that people spend a lot of time consuming. So, propaganda? I mean, having been an activist I'm aware of its utility, so this may be a missing component at making people listen through emotive means of story-telling otherwise lost in print media alone. > That system is being used productively right now. That is possible, I'm asking how. > The web of the social graph showing people in the profession of law enforcement what the people are thinking, the focus on the District Attorney's and the Mayor and Governors instead of just an individual officer has absolutely caused change. Police are getting fired for less egregious actions over the last two months. The legislatures in several states have implemented comprehensive reforms. Things that were always at their discretion. This provides context, but I think you ultimately come to the conclusion I have on your own with this following statement: > Do you want to quantify it? It's not possible, you have to be on the network. > But just consider, what if I'm telling you about something important? I have no doubt it's important, I've been a victim of police abuse due to my a-politcal nature and what that entails when trying to bring about alternatives that don't require State approval, or when I went to demos only to be forced into the broken Court system that essentially shrugs its shoulders at the spread amount of Civil Rights Abuse, as serves as the only avenue for legal redress from violence at the hand of the State. I just fear that what we're seeing has become a form of vicariously-felt, but dopamine addicting, voyeuristic practice and calling it 'activism,' wherein people feel they're involved in the process instead of actually making the effort to make full use of this time where Change can actually can occur in their Community. Worst yet, somehow they're being lauded for essentially trying to prove a negative. Furthermore, FB/IG can take solace in knowing their platform is the more desirable to use, and ints increasing its Marketshare, which they can then leverage for its own end. I guess I'm jaded from all of the cancel culture and the toxic tribalism and shaming that was typical prior to these 'last two months,' but I remain cautiously optimistic that something positive does occur from what you said is occurring. It's just that right now, I'm not simply convinced.

vmception 6y ago
That other stuff is happening as well. But I am see meaningful results, whereas Occupy got nowhere. Other BLM activism got nowhere. I would be very skeptical of the self proclaimed woke people, who appeared because .... he cried for his mom? Sports were cancelled? But because they can't get a boozy brunch, they are paying attention and suddenly, in some municipalities, things are changing for law enforcement, and the word of that and what is possible is spreading to others.
- Melting_Harps 6y ago
  > whereas Occupy got nowhere Agreed, in terms of overall progress which is why I turned down any offers to come be a part of their events or come do workshops when it was happening. Years later I got to hear about the horrible details from within from one of its more notable and disenfranchised OWLA movement member when we worked together on a CLIM COLAB project for MIT. But what it did reveal was that this was a class-based issue, not a racially profiled one. And that despite all the talking points of equality the US is actually as a class-based Society with an Oligarchical Ruling Class. University degrees and the Institutions have been the gate-keeping to what remains of the Middle class, so it's been an absolute joy to see it be disrupted by COVID as it has had to restructure itself to adapt, and many are questioning the viability of its existence when so many ED-tech solution are available now, after countless scandals and evidence of deep corruption. > I would be very skeptical of the self proclaimed woke people... Agreed, much of whom gravitate to Social Media platforms to re-enforce those ideals and beliefs amongst other 'woksters' in what is a self-affirming (echo-chamber) feedback loop. I contend that if that effort were placed to actual activist pursuits we'd be in a much better position in the World, if you say its occurring I'll have to conclude my participation in this conversation with an optimistic, but highly cautious: we shall see.

vmception 6y ago

That other stuff is happening as well. But I am see meaningful results, whereas Occupy got nowhere. Other BLM activism got nowhere. I would be very skeptical of the self proclaimed woke people, who appeared because .... he cried for his mom? Sports were cancelled? But because they can't get a boozy brunch, they are paying attention and suddenly, in some municipalities, things are changing for law enforcement, and the word of that and what is possible is spreading to others.

Melting_Harps 6y ago
> whereas Occupy got nowhere Agreed, in terms of overall progress which is why I turned down any offers to come be a part of their events or come do workshops when it was happening. Years later I got to hear about the horrible details from within from one of its more notable and disenfranchised OWLA movement member when we worked together on a CLIM COLAB project for MIT. But what it did reveal was that this was a class-based issue, not a racially profiled one. And that despite all the talking points of equality the US is actually as a class-based Society with an Oligarchical Ruling Class. University degrees and the Institutions have been the gate-keeping to what remains of the Middle class, so it's been an absolute joy to see it be disrupted by COVID as it has had to restructure itself to adapt, and many are questioning the viability of its existence when so many ED-tech solution are available now, after countless scandals and evidence of deep corruption. > I would be very skeptical of the self proclaimed woke people... Agreed, much of whom gravitate to Social Media platforms to re-enforce those ideals and beliefs amongst other 'woksters' in what is a self-affirming (echo-chamber) feedback loop. I contend that if that effort were placed to actual activist pursuits we'd be in a much better position in the World, if you say its occurring I'll have to conclude my participation in this conversation with an optimistic, but highly cautious: we shall see.