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> Right now the public opinion in China (not mine) is that India and America are hypocritical bullies and abusing the "national security" excuse, while China "n

> Right now the public opinion in China (not mine) is that India and America are hypocritical bullies and abusing the "national security" excuse, while China "never banned" any foreign web services, those "simply refused to comply with Chinese laws regarding terrorism" and their "inaccessibility" totally justified. This is definitely not a public opinion. Public opinion in US is splited like it always is in every single matter. I agree on the ban... or, at least, they should take a closer look regarding national security. Sending a lot of citizen personal info to the opposite super power like China and Russia does seem concerning, don't you agree?

rfoo 6y ago
> This is definitely not a public opinion. OP means this is the public opinion in China, not in US. Or at least that's the public opinion that CCP wants to install. And unfortunately most of the people surrounding me agree this. And I can't argue with them without convincing them the "sometimes misguided censorship" is deliberate and people should not accept censorship in the first place (if most of them do China would have already been different). It's literally a trap.
- ergocoder 6y ago
  Ah yes I misread it. Public opinion in China is going to be almost always anti-US. That's just regular propaganda for decades. It's not safe to have differing view in China regarding nationalism. Not sure why this is news though.
  - bllguo 6y ago
    because contrary to what you believe, many Chinese looked up to aspects of the US.
    - ergocoder 6y ago
      I doubt that is true. There may be some percentage that supports US. But definitely not the majority. I'd guess it's a very small percentage.
      - bllguo 6y ago
        look, things aren't binary.. No, it's not "support", obviously they largely stand by their country over the US. But it's not North Korea; they understand that life is good in the US, propaganda aside. They don't think our systems don't work _in general_, they think it wouldn't work _for them_ to directly answer your question, if you think this is a war of ideology, this move doesn't do the US any favors, regardless of how necessary or justified it is
        ergocoder 6y ago
        I'd say banning TikTok has a small downside. Sending citizen info to the opposing super power should be prevented (it's not binary like you said, but the risk is high, so the impact is potentially high). The downside is some Chinese will look at US as hypocritical. Fine. Here are 3 geopoltical issues that are way bigger than TikTok banning: Hong Kong, Taiwan, disputed islands on South China sea with Vietnam and Philippines. These issues evoke much stronger nationalism. A large portion of Chineses probably already look at US as very bad guy regarding these 3 geopolitical issues already. Trying to turn Chinese's regular person to be positive by not banning TikTok is not worth it. It's not like "oh yeah, I like US now because they don't ban tiktok, even though they try to help taiwan, hong kong, and etc. It's fine. TikTok is way more important here." Probably said no Chinese person ever.
    - balola 6y ago
      Don't anymore since Huawei and COVID-19, it has always been a minority and got smaller.
balola 6y ago
It's still what I said, the CCP doesn't care that much about who has data on its citizens, the amount they have could never match the party's anyway, and the measures being taken made it so that potential subversion is unlikely. It's a different story outside China and still the US's to lose. When 95% of the comments on Weibo are like what I said, I think it's pretty safe to say it is public opinion.
- ergocoder 6y ago
  Yes, I misread it. But even without TikTok matter, the general opinion in China would be anti-US anyway, no? US is a bad guy to China regarding many matters like Hong Kong, Taiwan, islands on South China sea with Vietnam and Philippines. This is not anyway unique to TikTok's matter. Tiktok problem seems pretty mild.

rfoo 6y ago

> This is definitely not a public opinion. OP means this is the public opinion in China, not in US. Or at least that's the public opinion that CCP wants to install. And unfortunately most of the people surrounding me agree this. And I can't argue with them without convincing them the "sometimes misguided censorship" is deliberate and people should not accept censorship in the first place (if most of them do China would have already been different). It's literally a trap.

ergocoder 6y ago
Ah yes I misread it. Public opinion in China is going to be almost always anti-US. That's just regular propaganda for decades. It's not safe to have differing view in China regarding nationalism. Not sure why this is news though.
- bllguo 6y ago
  because contrary to what you believe, many Chinese looked up to aspects of the US.
  - ergocoder 6y ago
    I doubt that is true. There may be some percentage that supports US. But definitely not the majority. I'd guess it's a very small percentage.
    - bllguo 6y ago
      look, things aren't binary.. No, it's not "support", obviously they largely stand by their country over the US. But it's not North Korea; they understand that life is good in the US, propaganda aside. They don't think our systems don't work _in general_, they think it wouldn't work _for them_ to directly answer your question, if you think this is a war of ideology, this move doesn't do the US any favors, regardless of how necessary or justified it is
      - ergocoder 6y ago
        I'd say banning TikTok has a small downside. Sending citizen info to the opposing super power should be prevented (it's not binary like you said, but the risk is high, so the impact is potentially high). The downside is some Chinese will look at US as hypocritical. Fine. Here are 3 geopoltical issues that are way bigger than TikTok banning: Hong Kong, Taiwan, disputed islands on South China sea with Vietnam and Philippines. These issues evoke much stronger nationalism. A large portion of Chineses probably already look at US as very bad guy regarding these 3 geopolitical issues already. Trying to turn Chinese's regular person to be positive by not banning TikTok is not worth it. It's not like "oh yeah, I like US now because they don't ban tiktok, even though they try to help taiwan, hong kong, and etc. It's fine. TikTok is way more important here." Probably said no Chinese person ever.
  - balola 6y ago
    Don't anymore since Huawei and COVID-19, it has always been a minority and got smaller.

balola 6y ago

It's still what I said, the CCP doesn't care that much about who has data on its citizens, the amount they have could never match the party's anyway, and the measures being taken made it so that potential subversion is unlikely. It's a different story outside China and still the US's to lose. When 95% of the comments on Weibo are like what I said, I think it's pretty safe to say it is public opinion.

ergocoder 6y ago
Yes, I misread it. But even without TikTok matter, the general opinion in China would be anti-US anyway, no? US is a bad guy to China regarding many matters like Hong Kong, Taiwan, islands on South China sea with Vietnam and Philippines. This is not anyway unique to TikTok's matter. Tiktok problem seems pretty mild.