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> I'm all for being a cynic. This has nothing to do with cynicism, if anything I feel its more an issue of uncaptured gains as Social Media has the potential t

> I'm all for being a cynic. This has nothing to do with cynicism, if anything I feel its more an issue of uncaptured gains as Social Media has the potential to do so much more, but is marred with the constraints that it has, which includes but is not limited to mass-surveillance. > I can acknowledge it is marvelous how anonymous-to-us Instagram accounts have absolutely steered energy and awareness over the past two months. How so, again, I'm open to the idea of this being the case, I just personally fail to do so as I'm not a user. > Now we have state level changes that create webs of liability, practically overnight, because of how the energy is being steered in a more collaborative and cohesive way. And you attribute this to Social Media presence and pressure? I mean, I cannot help but see this is the equivalent of how people get outraged by Trump's tweets.

vmception 6y ago
I attribute it to collaborative and cohesive directing of energy. If you are not a user then it is not possible for you to see the ephemeral stories, where the majority of the content is shared. The static posts you might be aware of, and their divisive comment threads, are largely ignored. You might not be able to see the longer format IGTV stories that people spend a lot of time consuming. What's different is that this is its own platform now, and its growth required no advertisement. It is just here. People have been considering Instagram a play-thing for hipsters for an entire decade, and they were incorrect for most of that decade. The GUI painted over a much more robust system, which I know you are aware of and are vigilant about. That system is being used productively right now. There are productive conversations from accounts about disenfranchised groups towards "SJWs" about what actually is or isn't a concern and focus on police liability issues, instead of just the reaction to how often a video of black person's interaction with the police goes viral, when theoretically there should be thousands more videos burned into our mind regardless of the demographic proportions. The pressure of sharing the numbers to contact in any municipality, going viral in the stories all day definitely has contributed. The web of the social graph showing people in the profession of law enforcement what the people are thinking, the focus on the District Attorney's and the Mayor and Governors instead of just an individual officer has absolutely caused change. Police are getting fired for less egregious actions over the last two months. The legislatures in several states have implemented comprehensive reforms. Things that were always at their discretion. Do you want to quantify it? It's not possible, you have to be on the network. But just consider, what if I'm telling you about something important?
- Melting_Harps 6y ago
  > I attribute it to collaborative and cohesive directing of energy. Acknowledged. > You might not be able to see the longer format IGTV stories that people spend a lot of time consuming. So, propaganda? I mean, having been an activist I'm aware of its utility, so this may be a missing component at making people listen through emotive means of story-telling otherwise lost in print media alone. > That system is being used productively right now. That is possible, I'm asking how. > The web of the social graph showing people in the profession of law enforcement what the people are thinking, the focus on the District Attorney's and the Mayor and Governors instead of just an individual officer has absolutely caused change. Police are getting fired for less egregious actions over the last two months. The legislatures in several states have implemented comprehensive reforms. Things that were always at their discretion. This provides context, but I think you ultimately come to the conclusion I have on your own with this following statement: > Do you want to quantify it? It's not possible, you have to be on the network. > But just consider, what if I'm telling you about something important? I have no doubt it's important, I've been a victim of police abuse due to my a-politcal nature and what that entails when trying to bring about alternatives that don't require State approval, or when I went to demos only to be forced into the broken Court system that essentially shrugs its shoulders at the spread amount of Civil Rights Abuse, as serves as the only avenue for legal redress from violence at the hand of the State. I just fear that what we're seeing has become a form of vicariously-felt, but dopamine addicting, voyeuristic practice and calling it 'activism,' wherein people feel they're involved in the process instead of actually making the effort to make full use of this time where Change can actually can occur in their Community. Worst yet, somehow they're being lauded for essentially trying to prove a negative. Furthermore, FB/IG can take solace in knowing their platform is the more desirable to use, and ints increasing its Marketshare, which they can then leverage for its own end. I guess I'm jaded from all of the cancel culture and the toxic tribalism and shaming that was typical prior to these 'last two months,' but I remain cautiously optimistic that something positive does occur from what you said is occurring. It's just that right now, I'm not simply convinced.
  - vmception 6y ago
    That other stuff is happening as well. But I am see meaningful results, whereas Occupy got nowhere. Other BLM activism got nowhere. I would be very skeptical of the self proclaimed woke people, who appeared because .... he cried for his mom? Sports were cancelled? But because they can't get a boozy brunch, they are paying attention and suddenly, in some municipalities, things are changing for law enforcement, and the word of that and what is possible is spreading to others.

vmception 6y ago

I attribute it to collaborative and cohesive directing of energy. If you are not a user then it is not possible for you to see the ephemeral stories, where the majority of the content is shared. The static posts you might be aware of, and their divisive comment threads, are largely ignored. You might not be able to see the longer format IGTV stories that people spend a lot of time consuming. What's different is that this is its own platform now, and its growth required no advertisement. It is just here. People have been considering Instagram a play-thing for hipsters for an entire decade, and they were incorrect for most of that decade. The GUI painted over a much more robust system, which I know you are aware of and are vigilant about. That system is being used productively right now. There are productive conversations from accounts about disenfranchised groups towards "SJWs" about what actually is or isn't a concern and focus on police liability issues, instead of just the reaction to how often a video of black person's interaction with the police goes viral, when theoretically there should be thousands more videos burned into our mind regardless of the demographic proportions. The pressure of sharing the numbers to contact in any municipality, going viral in the stories all day definitely has contributed. The web of the social graph showing people in the profession of law enforcement what the people are thinking, the focus on the District Attorney's and the Mayor and Governors instead of just an individual officer has absolutely caused change. Police are getting fired for less egregious actions over the last two months. The legislatures in several states have implemented comprehensive reforms. Things that were always at their discretion. Do you want to quantify it? It's not possible, you have to be on the network. But just consider, what if I'm telling you about something important?

Melting_Harps 6y ago
> I attribute it to collaborative and cohesive directing of energy. Acknowledged. > You might not be able to see the longer format IGTV stories that people spend a lot of time consuming. So, propaganda? I mean, having been an activist I'm aware of its utility, so this may be a missing component at making people listen through emotive means of story-telling otherwise lost in print media alone. > That system is being used productively right now. That is possible, I'm asking how. > The web of the social graph showing people in the profession of law enforcement what the people are thinking, the focus on the District Attorney's and the Mayor and Governors instead of just an individual officer has absolutely caused change. Police are getting fired for less egregious actions over the last two months. The legislatures in several states have implemented comprehensive reforms. Things that were always at their discretion. This provides context, but I think you ultimately come to the conclusion I have on your own with this following statement: > Do you want to quantify it? It's not possible, you have to be on the network. > But just consider, what if I'm telling you about something important? I have no doubt it's important, I've been a victim of police abuse due to my a-politcal nature and what that entails when trying to bring about alternatives that don't require State approval, or when I went to demos only to be forced into the broken Court system that essentially shrugs its shoulders at the spread amount of Civil Rights Abuse, as serves as the only avenue for legal redress from violence at the hand of the State. I just fear that what we're seeing has become a form of vicariously-felt, but dopamine addicting, voyeuristic practice and calling it 'activism,' wherein people feel they're involved in the process instead of actually making the effort to make full use of this time where Change can actually can occur in their Community. Worst yet, somehow they're being lauded for essentially trying to prove a negative. Furthermore, FB/IG can take solace in knowing their platform is the more desirable to use, and ints increasing its Marketshare, which they can then leverage for its own end. I guess I'm jaded from all of the cancel culture and the toxic tribalism and shaming that was typical prior to these 'last two months,' but I remain cautiously optimistic that something positive does occur from what you said is occurring. It's just that right now, I'm not simply convinced.
- vmception 6y ago
  That other stuff is happening as well. But I am see meaningful results, whereas Occupy got nowhere. Other BLM activism got nowhere. I would be very skeptical of the self proclaimed woke people, who appeared because .... he cried for his mom? Sports were cancelled? But because they can't get a boozy brunch, they are paying attention and suddenly, in some municipalities, things are changing for law enforcement, and the word of that and what is possible is spreading to others.