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TikTok is not overhyped, it is here to stay, that's why they want to ban it. It's still growing like crazy and is way way more entertaining than any other socia

TikTok is not overhyped, it is here to stay, that's why they want to ban it. It's still growing like crazy and is way way more entertaining than any other social network by a long shot.

m3kw9 6y ago
The type of entertainment TikTok provides is getting tiring. Is like fb videos on turbo. Sugar high can only last so long
- Kelteseth 6y ago
  Maybe you are just not the target audience here? YouTube also has videos like TikTok and it still has a bazillion users...
  - WilTimSon 6y ago
    Well, YouTube's core audience isn't going there for TikTok-style content (no judgement on that content either way.) They mostly come for vlogs, let's play's, tutorial videos, video essays, etc. Also worth noting that YouTube is a money sink so it's not like it's the most lucrative business model.
    - xzel 6y ago
      I've heard the argument a few times YouTube actually loses money, besides just being a money sink. Does anyone have anything from Google talking about margins or profit/loss of youtube? I've never been able to find anything concrete on the issue. This is the best I've ever been able to find [1] 1. https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/3/21121207/youtube-google-alphabet-earnings-revenue-first-time-reveal-q4-2019 https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/3/21121207/youtube-google-al...
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  - eugeniub 6y ago
    Yeah the TikTok core audience and the Hacker News crowd have maybe a 1% overlap.
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- CPLX 6y ago
  The most successful global consumer-facing company in world history sells sugar water.
  - reaperducer 6y ago
    If you mean Coca Cola, you're wrong.
    - hackstack 6y ago
      Can you support this with a counter example? This statement by itself is a bit of a tease!
      - oblio 6y ago
        If he's basing his comment on the source, he probably means that Apple has a higher market cap.
    - ascar 6y ago
      If anything he would mean Pepsi, which is twice as big as Coca Cola (based on revenue). However, that you immediately think about Coca-Cola speaks for their superior branding.
      - learc83 6y ago
        Is that based on soft drink revenues or because Pepsi owns dozens of other non soft drink companies?
    - tmathmeyer 6y ago
      why? coke is easily the most recognized brand on the planet.
- akhilcacharya 6y ago
  I'm 24 and my iPhone tells me I spend 2 hours on TikTok a day. This is up from about a year and a half ago, when i consumed it exclusively in YouTube compilations. Their targeting and algorithmic curation is extremely, scary good.
- hourislate 6y ago
  It exposes the level of mental illness in America and around the world. You have teens threatening to kill themselves if it gets banned. What will all these girls do if they can't get some attention and a dopamine hit every few hours. Woman are taking to Tik Tok and posting farewells crying and dancing. Some are even threatening the President. The app is poison but perhaps it's no worse than Insta, Twatter and FB and all social media. How many lives this shit ruins everyday, little by little is unimaginable. People living in the digital world instead of the real one.
  - pm90 6y ago
    Please don’t bring this kind of holier than thou preaching to this forum. Just because you’re not the target audience doesn’t mean you can call the users as being “mentally ill”. ALL humans crave dopamine hits (what brought you to this forum?). Dance and music is how a certain demographic of humanity lives to express themselves, and there is an app that lets them do so. What the hell is your problem? Who are you to take it away from them?
    - hourislate 6y ago
      >what brought you to this forum? I am only here for information/educational reasons, not entertainment. This is more about educating my mind. >Dance and music is how a certain demographic of humanity lives to express themselves, and there is an app that lets them do so. What the hell is your problem? Who are you to take it away from them? Maybe you haven't seen all the videos of young ladies threatening to kill themselves if the President goes through with it. Or the 1000's of people who have come to name calling and threats against the President. I don't find that normal and I have a problem with it.
      - phatfish 6y ago
        Maybe Hacker News is next on Trumps ban list. Would you be happy about that? Also, I would think carefully how productive your time spend here really is. Is surfing and commenting on HN providing any substantial "education"? Personally i find it an entertaining way to waste some time, that does now and then enlighten me on a topic I didn't know about before, and have cause to want to learn more. But any real knowledge gained is through effort outside of HN.
untog 6y ago
Couldn’t you have said the same about Snapchat a few years ago? Not that it’s about to shut down, but it’s definitely not the white hot app it was hyped to be.
- patrickaljord 6y ago
  I've tried Snapchat, never felt the same thing I'm getting with TikTok. TikTok is not being hyped to me, I genuinely get a good laugh out of it everytime I open it. Never had that with Snap or really any other social network. This is huge.
  - untog 6y ago
    That’s your personal experience. But I can guarantee that if you rewind a few years you’d be able to find many people who would say that Snapchat gave them the kind of experience Instagram never did, or whatever. Snapchat was huge. TikTok is huge. But there’s no guarantee of permenance.
    - patrickaljord 6y ago
      Snap never got to the level of TikTok and it was always really niche but mostly, it required IRL friends to send awkward Snaps too. TikTok doesn't have this limitation and is the lowest friction to entertainment social media ever. Of course, nothing is forever, even Facebook, but as far a these things go, TikTok was in for the long shot.
      - yushuf 6y ago
        People don't realize how addicted a lot of people are to Tik Tok. It's scary in terms of thinking how much time is 'wasted', but in terms of a product, it can reach the popularity of Youtube.
  - jaybeeayyy 6y ago
    I am very torn on this. On one hand, these types of apps do come and go quickly. On the other, everyone I've met that spends time on TikTok thoroughly enjoys the content far more than they ever have on any other app...it's almost a bit bizarre. My fiancee will be in tears laughing for hours some nights and it's unlike anything I've ever seen. My family never shared vines or youtube videos but now our group chat is completely full of TikTok links. I think people are underestimating how much people seriously love TikTok of all ages, races, classes etc.
xparco 6y ago
Ok stop lying
dkersten 6y ago
> it is here to stay That's what I heard about plenty of social platforms like this. Everyone thought Vine was here to stay too. Everyone thought Myspace was here to stay. Snapchat was huge at one point and now I no longer know anybody who still uses it. Maybe it will be like Facebook, but there's a big chance it won't. It's huge now, but its still relatively niche appeal in the grand scheme of tings. These things appear to be fickle. We will see.
- moscovium 6y ago
  > Everyone thought Vine was here to stay too. Vine was loved and was shut down by a part time CEO. > Snapchat was huge at one point and now I no longer know anybody who still uses it. People under 25 still love and use snapchat. Tiktok has 80 million MAUs, and is becoming the tool of cultural influence in the same way the Instagram did. I wouldn't underestimate the staying power of tiktok.
  - rsa25519 6y ago
    > Vine was loved and was shut down by a part time CEO. Yep. Then the community moved to Musical.ly, then to TikTok. Although the company is gone, Vine is still around in spirit. And I think the same applies to TikTok, too
- trca 6y ago
  Just because you don't know anyone that uses Snapchat doesn't make that an authoritative source on popularity of a company. Snap's user base has grown consistently and show's no signs of slowing down, even against increase competition in the space (https://www.statista.com/statistics/545967/snapchat-app-dau/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/545967/snapchat-app-dau/). TikTok is the "Vine replacement" since Vine was bought by Twitter and shutdown. Vine wasn't a "fad" that faded away, it was actively shutdown by its parent company, likely would still exist to this day in a non-insignificant way had that not happen.
  - skohan 6y ago
    Why did twitter shut it down?
cscurmudgeon 6y ago
> TikTok is not overhyped, it is here to stay The only constant in social apps is that the "apps that are here to stay" do not stay.
rvz 6y ago
The problem is with this specific demographic is they will grow out of TikTok and eventually stop using it due to fatigue or strange reasons like their parents joining in.* This happened with Snap, Vine, YikYak, etc. They will just move on to the next social network craze that doesn't have their parents, grandparents or their next door neighbours friending you. Rinse and repeat. * The exception to this rule is unless your parents is a Kardashian / West, Musk, or an Obama or some other famous celebrity.
- shigawire 6y ago
  YikYak killed itself with changes that no on wanted or needed. Vine was killed by Twitter. Otherwise I agree in principle but your examples aren't good.
ta17711771 6y ago
> way way more entertaining than any other social network by a long shot. ahahaha
seebetter 6y ago
That's not the only reason they want to ban it. I'm amazed how people can just ignore John Locke and the primitives of Western Civilization, and ignore the threat of China, Saudi Arabia or the European Union -- all of whom deny natural rights and are antithetical to the US. Perhaps you're not American but the European Enlightenment is fundamental to modern society. It is the reason we are talking via handheld computers. Let's not ignore its decimation.
- edgarvaldes 6y ago
  The EU?
- mmanfrin 6y ago
  > or the European Union -- all of whom deny natural rights and are antithetical to the US Excuse me, what?
enricozb 6y ago
> it's here to stay Would you be surprised if it just disappears in a year or two, like Vine, Orkut, Myspace, and other "giants" of their day did? I personally wouldn't because these things just come and go. I think it's really hard to make the claim that "it's here to stay".
seppin 6y ago
It will suck eventually, politics and boomers will arrive and ruin it.

TikTok is not overhyped, it is here to stay, that's why they want to ban it. It's still growing like crazy and is way way more entertaining than any other social network by a long shot.

m3kw9 6y ago

The type of entertainment TikTok provides is getting tiring. Is like fb videos on turbo. Sugar high can only last so long

Kelteseth 6y ago
Maybe you are just not the target audience here? YouTube also has videos like TikTok and it still has a bazillion users...
- WilTimSon 6y ago
  Well, YouTube's core audience isn't going there for TikTok-style content (no judgement on that content either way.) They mostly come for vlogs, let's play's, tutorial videos, video essays, etc. Also worth noting that YouTube is a money sink so it's not like it's the most lucrative business model.
  - xzel 6y ago
    I've heard the argument a few times YouTube actually loses money, besides just being a money sink. Does anyone have anything from Google talking about margins or profit/loss of youtube? I've never been able to find anything concrete on the issue. This is the best I've ever been able to find [1] 1. https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/3/21121207/youtube-google-alphabet-earnings-revenue-first-time-reveal-q4-2019 https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/3/21121207/youtube-google-al...
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- eugeniub 6y ago
  Yeah the TikTok core audience and the Hacker News crowd have maybe a 1% overlap.
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CPLX 6y ago
The most successful global consumer-facing company in world history sells sugar water.
- reaperducer 6y ago
  If you mean Coca Cola, you're wrong.
  - hackstack 6y ago
    Can you support this with a counter example? This statement by itself is a bit of a tease!
    - oblio 6y ago
      If he's basing his comment on the source, he probably means that Apple has a higher market cap.
  - ascar 6y ago
    If anything he would mean Pepsi, which is twice as big as Coca Cola (based on revenue). However, that you immediately think about Coca-Cola speaks for their superior branding.
    - learc83 6y ago
      Is that based on soft drink revenues or because Pepsi owns dozens of other non soft drink companies?
  - tmathmeyer 6y ago
    why? coke is easily the most recognized brand on the planet.
akhilcacharya 6y ago
I'm 24 and my iPhone tells me I spend 2 hours on TikTok a day. This is up from about a year and a half ago, when i consumed it exclusively in YouTube compilations. Their targeting and algorithmic curation is extremely, scary good.
hourislate 6y ago
It exposes the level of mental illness in America and around the world. You have teens threatening to kill themselves if it gets banned. What will all these girls do if they can't get some attention and a dopamine hit every few hours. Woman are taking to Tik Tok and posting farewells crying and dancing. Some are even threatening the President. The app is poison but perhaps it's no worse than Insta, Twatter and FB and all social media. How many lives this shit ruins everyday, little by little is unimaginable. People living in the digital world instead of the real one.
- pm90 6y ago
  Please don’t bring this kind of holier than thou preaching to this forum. Just because you’re not the target audience doesn’t mean you can call the users as being “mentally ill”. ALL humans crave dopamine hits (what brought you to this forum?). Dance and music is how a certain demographic of humanity lives to express themselves, and there is an app that lets them do so. What the hell is your problem? Who are you to take it away from them?
  - hourislate 6y ago
    >what brought you to this forum? I am only here for information/educational reasons, not entertainment. This is more about educating my mind. >Dance and music is how a certain demographic of humanity lives to express themselves, and there is an app that lets them do so. What the hell is your problem? Who are you to take it away from them? Maybe you haven't seen all the videos of young ladies threatening to kill themselves if the President goes through with it. Or the 1000's of people who have come to name calling and threats against the President. I don't find that normal and I have a problem with it.
    - phatfish 6y ago
      Maybe Hacker News is next on Trumps ban list. Would you be happy about that? Also, I would think carefully how productive your time spend here really is. Is surfing and commenting on HN providing any substantial "education"? Personally i find it an entertaining way to waste some time, that does now and then enlighten me on a topic I didn't know about before, and have cause to want to learn more. But any real knowledge gained is through effort outside of HN.

untog 6y ago

Couldn’t you have said the same about Snapchat a few years ago? Not that it’s about to shut down, but it’s definitely not the white hot app it was hyped to be.

patrickaljord 6y ago
I've tried Snapchat, never felt the same thing I'm getting with TikTok. TikTok is not being hyped to me, I genuinely get a good laugh out of it everytime I open it. Never had that with Snap or really any other social network. This is huge.
- untog 6y ago
  That’s your personal experience. But I can guarantee that if you rewind a few years you’d be able to find many people who would say that Snapchat gave them the kind of experience Instagram never did, or whatever. Snapchat was huge. TikTok is huge. But there’s no guarantee of permenance.
  - patrickaljord 6y ago
    Snap never got to the level of TikTok and it was always really niche but mostly, it required IRL friends to send awkward Snaps too. TikTok doesn't have this limitation and is the lowest friction to entertainment social media ever. Of course, nothing is forever, even Facebook, but as far a these things go, TikTok was in for the long shot.
    - yushuf 6y ago
      People don't realize how addicted a lot of people are to Tik Tok. It's scary in terms of thinking how much time is 'wasted', but in terms of a product, it can reach the popularity of Youtube.
- jaybeeayyy 6y ago
  I am very torn on this. On one hand, these types of apps do come and go quickly. On the other, everyone I've met that spends time on TikTok thoroughly enjoys the content far more than they ever have on any other app...it's almost a bit bizarre. My fiancee will be in tears laughing for hours some nights and it's unlike anything I've ever seen. My family never shared vines or youtube videos but now our group chat is completely full of TikTok links. I think people are underestimating how much people seriously love TikTok of all ages, races, classes etc.

xparco 6y ago

Ok stop lying

dkersten 6y ago

> it is here to stay That's what I heard about plenty of social platforms like this. Everyone thought Vine was here to stay too. Everyone thought Myspace was here to stay. Snapchat was huge at one point and now I no longer know anybody who still uses it. Maybe it will be like Facebook, but there's a big chance it won't. It's huge now, but its still relatively niche appeal in the grand scheme of tings. These things appear to be fickle. We will see.

moscovium 6y ago
> Everyone thought Vine was here to stay too. Vine was loved and was shut down by a part time CEO. > Snapchat was huge at one point and now I no longer know anybody who still uses it. People under 25 still love and use snapchat. Tiktok has 80 million MAUs, and is becoming the tool of cultural influence in the same way the Instagram did. I wouldn't underestimate the staying power of tiktok.
- rsa25519 6y ago
  > Vine was loved and was shut down by a part time CEO. Yep. Then the community moved to Musical.ly, then to TikTok. Although the company is gone, Vine is still around in spirit. And I think the same applies to TikTok, too
trca 6y ago
Just because you don't know anyone that uses Snapchat doesn't make that an authoritative source on popularity of a company. Snap's user base has grown consistently and show's no signs of slowing down, even against increase competition in the space (https://www.statista.com/statistics/545967/snapchat-app-dau/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/545967/snapchat-app-dau/). TikTok is the "Vine replacement" since Vine was bought by Twitter and shutdown. Vine wasn't a "fad" that faded away, it was actively shutdown by its parent company, likely would still exist to this day in a non-insignificant way had that not happen.
- skohan 6y ago
  Why did twitter shut it down?

cscurmudgeon 6y ago

> TikTok is not overhyped, it is here to stay The only constant in social apps is that the "apps that are here to stay" do not stay.

rvz 6y ago

The problem is with this specific demographic is they will grow out of TikTok and eventually stop using it due to fatigue or strange reasons like their parents joining in.* This happened with Snap, Vine, YikYak, etc. They will just move on to the next social network craze that doesn't have their parents, grandparents or their next door neighbours friending you. Rinse and repeat. * The exception to this rule is unless your parents is a Kardashian / West, Musk, or an Obama or some other famous celebrity.

shigawire 6y ago
YikYak killed itself with changes that no on wanted or needed. Vine was killed by Twitter. Otherwise I agree in principle but your examples aren't good.

ta17711771 6y ago

> way way more entertaining than any other social network by a long shot. ahahaha

seebetter 6y ago

That's not the only reason they want to ban it. I'm amazed how people can just ignore John Locke and the primitives of Western Civilization, and ignore the threat of China, Saudi Arabia or the European Union -- all of whom deny natural rights and are antithetical to the US. Perhaps you're not American but the European Enlightenment is fundamental to modern society. It is the reason we are talking via handheld computers. Let's not ignore its decimation.

edgarvaldes 6y ago
The EU?
mmanfrin 6y ago
> or the European Union -- all of whom deny natural rights and are antithetical to the US Excuse me, what?

enricozb 6y ago

> it's here to stay Would you be surprised if it just disappears in a year or two, like Vine, Orkut, Myspace, and other "giants" of their day did? I personally wouldn't because these things just come and go. I think it's really hard to make the claim that "it's here to stay".

seppin 6y ago

It will suck eventually, politics and boomers will arrive and ruin it.