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> And a noise on twitter is heard in the corridors of power today (tomorrow it may change.) And is listened by who? Other social media users who are equally as

> And a noise on twitter is heard in the corridors of power today (tomorrow it may change.) And is listened by who? Other social media users who are equally as unlikely to get involved? This is what happened during the Blueleaks drop in my opinion. Moreover, what is the turn-around in the news-cycle today for even 'newsworthy' events, especially when calamity and Rage are the plats du jour by the Media and served by the 100s a day. I highly doubt you can attribute seeing police budgets get slashed if it weren't for the mass protests, and rioting in the US and the wide-spread violence we saw that followed. Claiming that Social Media's role to be anything but act as a source of the real-time video footage of these events would be really over-reaching its impact. I mean even now, as Portland has removed DHS officers, what can you say the Social Media crowds did to ensure that occurred, because it was mainly a collective of present Human will that did that from what I've seen. I'm open to be convinced, mind you, as I think IF Social Media could fulfill its potential it could be a very useful tool in Activism, instead it just seems like another apparatus of the Panopticon. Which if they can infiltrate a Telegram channel [1], just imagine what they can do on open non-encrypted mediums like Facebook/IG etc... 1: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-dhs-intelligence-report-showed-the-department-had-collected-and-analyzed-messages-between-portland-protesters-a-new-report-says/ar-BB17qOUb?li=BBnb7Kz https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-dhs-intelligence-report-...

site-packages1 6y ago
The FBI has opened an investigation into Breonna Taylor's murder. The Redskins are changing their name. Many police departments are cutting budgets and in some cases replacing those police officers with social workers. That never would have happened without the awareness brought to those and similar issues by social media. You can dismiss it as "SJW" echo chambers, but it appears to be working, perhaps to your chagrin.
- Melting_Harps 6y ago
  > The FBI has opened an investigation into Breonna Taylor's murder. The Redskins are changing their name. Many police departments are cutting budgets and in some cases replacing those police officers with social workers. How exactly is this the case; I keep seeing attributions to these events that have no real basis or clear definitive metrics for doing it. I really want to believe its true, but I'd say the potential of another wave of wide-spread protests in the US (and Corona cases that follow) as what was seen for Floyd is what did everything you mentioned with the exception of the Redskins name change, which quite honestly is about as useful as Social Media 'change' can really achieve in my view. Outrage culture can spill-over into entertainment, and academia really well, as I mentioned in my earlier post.
  - site-packages1 6y ago
    > How exactly is this the case; I keep seeing attributions to these events that have no real basis or clear definitive metrics for doing it. Sorry, what are you asking for metrics on? What are you asking, "how ... is this the case?" These things have verifiably started happening or have happened. I really fail to see your point and am seeing enough watch words/phrases ("SJW", "Outrage Culture", etc.) where I feel like I"m being sealioned.
    - Melting_Harps 6y ago
      I'm asking you to provide a very clear and defintive way to measure what you are describing, as in provide sources for your claims, which would be along the lines of 'on x date poster Y made this post and as a DIRECT result of this event this favourable action took place.' Its very simple to explain, but a lot harder to understand from my position to see how exactly this takes place without this. Because I can draw a straight line from the DHS being booted after people did this [1]. That's what 65 days of continual activist protests did, that then resumed as peaceful demonstrations for their cause only AFTER the DHS left. This could be seen in other other BLM protest in major cities, that were escalated because of Police. > sealioned... I don't even know what that means, but I fear this is the typical reaction when someone is confronted with trying to substantiate such a bold claim and cannot really do so, that is start to try and deviate from the points made with entirely irrelevant sensationalism. I asked you to provide substantial evidence for your claim. 1: https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/portland-protests-federal-courthouse-friday-july-31/283-1a26f601-b6de-4ef8-b8b5-b6c21d67144f https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/portland-pro...
      - site-packages1 6y ago
        Ah I see, sealioning as below: Sealioning - A subtle form of trolling involving "bad-faith" questions. You disingenuously frame your conversation as a sincere request to be enlightened, placing the burden of educating you entirely on the other party. If your bait is successful, the other party may engage, painstakingly laying out their logic and evidence in the false hope of helping someone learn. In fact you are attempting to harass or waste the time of the other party, and have no intention of truly entertaining their point of view. Instead, you react to each piece of information by misinterpreting it or requesting further clarification, ad nauseum. The name "sea-lioning" comes from a Wondermark comic strip. You are asking me to educate you when you could just look at current events. If you're asking me to say "Protest X on Y date led to Z legislation/budget/change" then you know that's impossible, and in fact I can perhaps only think of a handful of times in U.S. history that this could be done. One has to look at the totality of the circumstances. I can confidently say, of course, that none of these changes would have happened without social media awareness leading to protests leading to action, and the social media awareness is close enough in the chain to be considered proximate cause. But, based on your lines of questioning and inquiry in your other comments, I'm guessing nothing will be able to convince you of this. See generally, from the definition of sealioning, "involving 'bad-faith' questions."

site-packages1 6y ago

The FBI has opened an investigation into Breonna Taylor's murder. The Redskins are changing their name. Many police departments are cutting budgets and in some cases replacing those police officers with social workers. That never would have happened without the awareness brought to those and similar issues by social media. You can dismiss it as "SJW" echo chambers, but it appears to be working, perhaps to your chagrin.

Melting_Harps 6y ago
> The FBI has opened an investigation into Breonna Taylor's murder. The Redskins are changing their name. Many police departments are cutting budgets and in some cases replacing those police officers with social workers. How exactly is this the case; I keep seeing attributions to these events that have no real basis or clear definitive metrics for doing it. I really want to believe its true, but I'd say the potential of another wave of wide-spread protests in the US (and Corona cases that follow) as what was seen for Floyd is what did everything you mentioned with the exception of the Redskins name change, which quite honestly is about as useful as Social Media 'change' can really achieve in my view. Outrage culture can spill-over into entertainment, and academia really well, as I mentioned in my earlier post.
- site-packages1 6y ago
  > How exactly is this the case; I keep seeing attributions to these events that have no real basis or clear definitive metrics for doing it. Sorry, what are you asking for metrics on? What are you asking, "how ... is this the case?" These things have verifiably started happening or have happened. I really fail to see your point and am seeing enough watch words/phrases ("SJW", "Outrage Culture", etc.) where I feel like I"m being sealioned.
  - Melting_Harps 6y ago
    I'm asking you to provide a very clear and defintive way to measure what you are describing, as in provide sources for your claims, which would be along the lines of 'on x date poster Y made this post and as a DIRECT result of this event this favourable action took place.' Its very simple to explain, but a lot harder to understand from my position to see how exactly this takes place without this. Because I can draw a straight line from the DHS being booted after people did this [1]. That's what 65 days of continual activist protests did, that then resumed as peaceful demonstrations for their cause only AFTER the DHS left. This could be seen in other other BLM protest in major cities, that were escalated because of Police. > sealioned... I don't even know what that means, but I fear this is the typical reaction when someone is confronted with trying to substantiate such a bold claim and cannot really do so, that is start to try and deviate from the points made with entirely irrelevant sensationalism. I asked you to provide substantial evidence for your claim. 1: https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/portland-protests-federal-courthouse-friday-july-31/283-1a26f601-b6de-4ef8-b8b5-b6c21d67144f https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/portland-pro...
    - site-packages1 6y ago
      Ah I see, sealioning as below: Sealioning - A subtle form of trolling involving "bad-faith" questions. You disingenuously frame your conversation as a sincere request to be enlightened, placing the burden of educating you entirely on the other party. If your bait is successful, the other party may engage, painstakingly laying out their logic and evidence in the false hope of helping someone learn. In fact you are attempting to harass or waste the time of the other party, and have no intention of truly entertaining their point of view. Instead, you react to each piece of information by misinterpreting it or requesting further clarification, ad nauseum. The name "sea-lioning" comes from a Wondermark comic strip. You are asking me to educate you when you could just look at current events. If you're asking me to say "Protest X on Y date led to Z legislation/budget/change" then you know that's impossible, and in fact I can perhaps only think of a handful of times in U.S. history that this could be done. One has to look at the totality of the circumstances. I can confidently say, of course, that none of these changes would have happened without social media awareness leading to protests leading to action, and the social media awareness is close enough in the chain to be considered proximate cause. But, based on your lines of questioning and inquiry in your other comments, I'm guessing nothing will be able to convince you of this. See generally, from the definition of sealioning, "involving 'bad-faith' questions."