I would argue there is no such thing as software engineering. To me engineering has to live in the real world, i.e. gravity, wind, temperature, material propert

I would argue there is no such thing as software engineering. To me engineering has to live in the real world, i.e. gravity, wind, temperature, material properties, water, etc. Software exists in a world we create, while it may interact with the real world, and may run on hardware (perhaps several levels down) it is not truly affected by the real world properties. But being programmers, we will argue all sides.