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> Spotify also doesn’t allow in app purchases so Apple doesn’t get a cut. This is how Spotify and Netflix are harmed. They have to pick between funding their c

> Spotify also doesn’t allow in app purchases so Apple doesn’t get a cut. This is how Spotify and Netflix are harmed. They have to pick between funding their competitor, or not providing simple signups and subscriptions on one of the worlds largest computing platforms. This directly harms either their revenue stream or cost-of-acquisition. Both to the advantage of one of one of their largest competitors who has artificially introduced this barrier.

scarface74 6y ago
So can we also regulate Spotify for taking a much larger cut from artists? Spotify has a much larger share in streaming music than Apple has in phones. Also. I can’t sign up for a Netflix subscription on my Roku either.
- avianlyric 6y ago
  Spotify isn’t using their market dominance in another industry to squeeze either artists or competitors. Nothing is stopping another streaming service from offering a bigger cut to artists (indeed Tide purports to do exactly this). If Spotify started pushing artist contracts that prevented artists from getting a better deal else where, then they should be regulated. But they don’t, and there’s plenty of artists that don’t sell on Spotify because they don’t like the deal they offer.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Spotify isn’t using their market dominance in streaming to give artist a pittance? Nothing is stopping another streaming service from offering a bigger cut to artists (indeed Tide purports to do exactly this). A bigger cut of a tiny pie? In the same vein nothing is stopping app developers from ignoring iOS or users from buying iPhones, using Google, FaceBook, or Amazon.
    - avianlyric 6y ago
      > Spotify isn’t using their market dominance in streaming to give artist a pittance? What evidence do you have back this up? There’s every suggestion that Spotify are struggling to defend themselves against artists who demand bigger payments. Additionally there’s every suggestion that Apple Music now have a larger portion of the market than Spotify, and if it hasn’t happened yet, it will soon. All of that is ignoring other competitors like Google Music (or YouTube, wherever they’re calling it today) and Amazon Music. Simply put, your assertion fails on multiple fronts.
      - scarface74 6y ago
        There’s every suggestion that Spotify are struggling to defend themselves against artists who demand bigger payments. So you’re okay with Spotify “defending themselves” against artist who want more of a cut? It takes 180,000 plays to make minimum wage. https://help.songtrust.com/knowledge/what-is-the-pay-rate-for-spotify-streams https://help.songtrust.com/knowledge/what-is-the-pay-rate-fo... Spotify also takes a 30% cut. Artist are also complaining about Spotify’s payout. https://www.businessofapps.com/data/spotify-statistics/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/spotify-statistics/ It has drawn criticism from recording artists, who complain that it pays too little. Claims to democratize the music industry Maybe Spotify needs to remember that whole “those in glass houses”. Actually Apple Music pays artists more per stream than Spotify.
        avianlyric 6y ago
        > So you’re okay with Spotify “defending themselves” against artist who want more of a cut? Yes, there’s no god given right to be paid for your art. Just because I put some tones together and throw it on the Internet doesn’t mean I deserve to paid significant amounts of money. Or indeed any money at all. > Actually Apple Music pays artists more per stream than Spotify. That only proves my point, competition is driving up payments to artists, the system works. Not only that but Apple Music may soon be the dominant streaming platform, and if they can do that would resorting to anti-competitive behaviour then is show that artists can make a living, and consumers can continue paying ~$7/month for music.

scarface74 6y ago

So can we also regulate Spotify for taking a much larger cut from artists? Spotify has a much larger share in streaming music than Apple has in phones. Also. I can’t sign up for a Netflix subscription on my Roku either.

avianlyric 6y ago
Spotify isn’t using their market dominance in another industry to squeeze either artists or competitors. Nothing is stopping another streaming service from offering a bigger cut to artists (indeed Tide purports to do exactly this). If Spotify started pushing artist contracts that prevented artists from getting a better deal else where, then they should be regulated. But they don’t, and there’s plenty of artists that don’t sell on Spotify because they don’t like the deal they offer.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Spotify isn’t using their market dominance in streaming to give artist a pittance? Nothing is stopping another streaming service from offering a bigger cut to artists (indeed Tide purports to do exactly this). A bigger cut of a tiny pie? In the same vein nothing is stopping app developers from ignoring iOS or users from buying iPhones, using Google, FaceBook, or Amazon.
  - avianlyric 6y ago
    > Spotify isn’t using their market dominance in streaming to give artist a pittance? What evidence do you have back this up? There’s every suggestion that Spotify are struggling to defend themselves against artists who demand bigger payments. Additionally there’s every suggestion that Apple Music now have a larger portion of the market than Spotify, and if it hasn’t happened yet, it will soon. All of that is ignoring other competitors like Google Music (or YouTube, wherever they’re calling it today) and Amazon Music. Simply put, your assertion fails on multiple fronts.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      There’s every suggestion that Spotify are struggling to defend themselves against artists who demand bigger payments. So you’re okay with Spotify “defending themselves” against artist who want more of a cut? It takes 180,000 plays to make minimum wage. https://help.songtrust.com/knowledge/what-is-the-pay-rate-for-spotify-streams https://help.songtrust.com/knowledge/what-is-the-pay-rate-fo... Spotify also takes a 30% cut. Artist are also complaining about Spotify’s payout. https://www.businessofapps.com/data/spotify-statistics/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/spotify-statistics/ It has drawn criticism from recording artists, who complain that it pays too little. Claims to democratize the music industry Maybe Spotify needs to remember that whole “those in glass houses”. Actually Apple Music pays artists more per stream than Spotify.
      - avianlyric 6y ago
        > So you’re okay with Spotify “defending themselves” against artist who want more of a cut? Yes, there’s no god given right to be paid for your art. Just because I put some tones together and throw it on the Internet doesn’t mean I deserve to paid significant amounts of money. Or indeed any money at all. > Actually Apple Music pays artists more per stream than Spotify. That only proves my point, competition is driving up payments to artists, the system works. Not only that but Apple Music may soon be the dominant streaming platform, and if they can do that would resorting to anti-competitive behaviour then is show that artists can make a living, and consumers can continue paying ~$7/month for music.