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I would agree that general Nvidia troubles don't particularly stand out in the PS3 hardware design clusterfuck, but Microsoft's and Nvidia's falling out really

by DCKing 6y ago

I would agree that general Nvidia troubles don't particularly stand out in the PS3 hardware design clusterfuck, but Microsoft's and Nvidia's falling out really is indicative of terrible relationship management even if it was from both sides. Again my point is that Nvidia just doesn't understand how to work together, how not to view everything as a zero sum game. That doesn't mean that Nvidia is the only bad actor in these situations, but Nvidia really does end up in these situations quite a lot.

ksec 6y ago
That is just not true. And I am with parents I dont normally come and defend Nvidia. If by working with everyone meant stepping back and relenting in every possible way then Nvidia would not be profitable. I am not sure why Microsoft felt they were entitled to Nvidia. And Nvidia just said no. It was that simple. Nvidia wants to protect their business Interest, and that is what business is all about. And yet everyone on the internet seems to think company should do open source or throw resources into it etc.
- DCKing 6y ago
  I've already mentioned in the top parent comment that Nvidia is perfectly entitled to behave this way. They clearly know how to run a successful business in this way. I have bought Nvidia chips in the past and will continue to do so in the future when they are the best option for my use case - I don't really try to personify companies or products like this. I am just pointing out that Nvidia's evident opinion on how to run a business (their corporate culture) is not in line with cultivating an open ecosystem like ARM is running. And the cultivation of this ecosystem is ARM's key to success here. Nvidia is entitled how to run a business how they want, but I'm very much hoping that that way of working does not translate to how they will run ARM. People everywhere in this thread are having huge difficulty separating the point "Nvidia's way of doing business does not match ARM's" with "I have personal beef with Nvidia's way of doing business". I'm trying to make the former argument. > That is just not true. Out of curiosity - what isn't true here? Am I missing facts, or are you expressing disagreement with my reading of the business situation? If the latter is based on some understanding I have some personal beef with Nvidia, then please reconsider.

by DCKing 6y ago

ksec 6y ago

That is just not true. And I am with parents I dont normally come and defend Nvidia. If by working with everyone meant stepping back and relenting in every possible way then Nvidia would not be profitable. I am not sure why Microsoft felt they were entitled to Nvidia. And Nvidia just said no. It was that simple. Nvidia wants to protect their business Interest, and that is what business is all about. And yet everyone on the internet seems to think company should do open source or throw resources into it etc.

DCKing 6y ago
I've already mentioned in the top parent comment that Nvidia is perfectly entitled to behave this way. They clearly know how to run a successful business in this way. I have bought Nvidia chips in the past and will continue to do so in the future when they are the best option for my use case - I don't really try to personify companies or products like this. I am just pointing out that Nvidia's evident opinion on how to run a business (their corporate culture) is not in line with cultivating an open ecosystem like ARM is running. And the cultivation of this ecosystem is ARM's key to success here. Nvidia is entitled how to run a business how they want, but I'm very much hoping that that way of working does not translate to how they will run ARM. People everywhere in this thread are having huge difficulty separating the point "Nvidia's way of doing business does not match ARM's" with "I have personal beef with Nvidia's way of doing business". I'm trying to make the former argument. > That is just not true. Out of curiosity - what isn't true here? Am I missing facts, or are you expressing disagreement with my reading of the business situation? If the latter is based on some understanding I have some personal beef with Nvidia, then please reconsider.