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Just know you can run a full Linux desktop experience on top of twenty-year-old spinning rust just fine. Micro$oft drooped the ball big time if one needs a ssd

by zokula 6y ago

Just know you can run a full Linux desktop experience on top of twenty-year-old spinning rust just fine. Micro$oft drooped the ball big time if one needs a ssd just to use a OS.

cable2600 6y ago
It needs a SSD drive to boot faster. Otherwise it takes a few minutes instead of seconds. Windows 10 is for newer hardware anyway, it runs slow on older hardware.
- soulofmischief 6y ago
  You are completely missing their point. "For newer hardware" means slower. I remember how Windows 7 was so well-designed that it actually ran faster on my all of my old XP machines than XP did. It was a step up in performance, not a step down. In 2018 Microsoft disbanded the Windows team and moved engineering efforts to its cloud and AI teams. Windows 10 is on life support by engineers who aren't intimately familiar with its codebase. Performance and usability will only degrade in this situation and the specifications of newer hardware don't excuse constant deterioration in performance.
  - mavhc 6y ago
    All non Azure MS products are legacy now. Windows 10 is probably slow on HDDs because it's updating a load of UWP apps in the background, resmon.exe disk tab will show what's going on.
    - wolfi1 6y ago
      Ironically, Mark Russinovich, the author of Regmon, is now responsible for Azure
  - evilos 6y ago
    It was a re-org, those engineering teams just moved to be under CAI or ED. The people are still there.
    - soulofmischief 6y ago
      The people are still there, but there's no organizational impetus to always use them, plus they have other duties now. The team being disbanded means a loss in product tightness and quality control.
      - evilos 6y ago
        That doesn't make any sense to me. Are you saying you work on one of these teams?
rocqua 6y ago
they optimized for current hardware, sacrificing some performance on outdated hardware. I'd rather windows uses my SSD to the fullest, than that it makes concessions to spinning disks.
- treve 6y ago
  I'm not sure this is the right take, as I don't believe it's a matter of choosing to optimize for SSD vs. HDD's. Disks got faster, so the bar for baseline acceptable performance got higher.
- badsectoracula 6y ago
  How is Windows using SSD to its fullest? All it seems to be doing is taking advantage of the greater speed to perform more I/O that it didn't do before which negates any performance improvements the SSD brings.

by zokula 6y ago

Just know you can run a full Linux desktop experience on top of twenty-year-old spinning rust just fine. Micro$oft drooped the ball big time if one needs a ssd just to use a OS.

cable2600 6y ago

It needs a SSD drive to boot faster. Otherwise it takes a few minutes instead of seconds. Windows 10 is for newer hardware anyway, it runs slow on older hardware.

soulofmischief 6y ago
You are completely missing their point. "For newer hardware" means slower. I remember how Windows 7 was so well-designed that it actually ran faster on my all of my old XP machines than XP did. It was a step up in performance, not a step down. In 2018 Microsoft disbanded the Windows team and moved engineering efforts to its cloud and AI teams. Windows 10 is on life support by engineers who aren't intimately familiar with its codebase. Performance and usability will only degrade in this situation and the specifications of newer hardware don't excuse constant deterioration in performance.
- mavhc 6y ago
  All non Azure MS products are legacy now. Windows 10 is probably slow on HDDs because it's updating a load of UWP apps in the background, resmon.exe disk tab will show what's going on.
  - wolfi1 6y ago
    Ironically, Mark Russinovich, the author of Regmon, is now responsible for Azure
- evilos 6y ago
  It was a re-org, those engineering teams just moved to be under CAI or ED. The people are still there.
  - soulofmischief 6y ago
    The people are still there, but there's no organizational impetus to always use them, plus they have other duties now. The team being disbanded means a loss in product tightness and quality control.
    - evilos 6y ago
      That doesn't make any sense to me. Are you saying you work on one of these teams?

rocqua 6y ago

they optimized for current hardware, sacrificing some performance on outdated hardware. I'd rather windows uses my SSD to the fullest, than that it makes concessions to spinning disks.

treve 6y ago
I'm not sure this is the right take, as I don't believe it's a matter of choosing to optimize for SSD vs. HDD's. Disks got faster, so the bar for baseline acceptable performance got higher.
badsectoracula 6y ago
How is Windows using SSD to its fullest? All it seems to be doing is taking advantage of the greater speed to perform more I/O that it didn't do before which negates any performance improvements the SSD brings.