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Can we get a neutral source on this? Nextcloud undoubtedly stands to benefit a great deal from the claims being made here, since Nextcloud is self-hosted. There

Can we get a neutral source on this? Nextcloud undoubtedly stands to benefit a great deal from the claims being made here, since Nextcloud is self-hosted. There’s inevitably a strong PR bias here.

number6 6y ago
It's on point. We are trying to get something working under the current ruling, but I think it is impossible. EUCJ ruled that US law is incompatible with the GDPR. There might be instances where FISA might not apply but in general you can't export data in the US. Most EU Firms have contracts with MS Europe, Amazon in Luxemburg or Google Ireland - I guess they should come up with a solution...
- zenexer 6y ago
  Regardless, this is Hacker News; I’d like to think that, as a community, we tend to appreciate having a more neutral source for news such as this. I’m always going to be skeptical of such an announcement from a company that has so much to gain from the ruling.
  - number6 6y ago
    To be fair: I am working as a GDPR Consultant so you might take my word with a bit of skepticism too. On the other hand, this is rather bad news for me too. We had all the paperwork in place and now it's all nill. At some point I will have to advise against the use of Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Atlassian... pretty much everything. I have no idea how to solve this issue. Only the U.S. could solve it by changing it's laws. The EU can't just change it's constitution...
Terretta 6y ago
From the “article”: Many German Data Protection Authorities have already concluded at various points that the use of Office 365 in schools is illegal and use of foreign-hosted chat and video communication services poses compliance problems, recommending Nextcloud Talk instead. The Swedish and Dutch have come to the same conclusion repeatedly. Aside from starting with the telltale “many”, stuffing Nextcloud in there was just awkward.
detaro 6y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23857072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23857072

Can we get a neutral source on this? Nextcloud undoubtedly stands to benefit a great deal from the claims being made here, since Nextcloud is self-hosted. There’s inevitably a strong PR bias here.

number6 6y ago

It's on point. We are trying to get something working under the current ruling, but I think it is impossible. EUCJ ruled that US law is incompatible with the GDPR. There might be instances where FISA might not apply but in general you can't export data in the US. Most EU Firms have contracts with MS Europe, Amazon in Luxemburg or Google Ireland - I guess they should come up with a solution...

zenexer 6y ago
Regardless, this is Hacker News; I’d like to think that, as a community, we tend to appreciate having a more neutral source for news such as this. I’m always going to be skeptical of such an announcement from a company that has so much to gain from the ruling.
- number6 6y ago
  To be fair: I am working as a GDPR Consultant so you might take my word with a bit of skepticism too. On the other hand, this is rather bad news for me too. We had all the paperwork in place and now it's all nill. At some point I will have to advise against the use of Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Atlassian... pretty much everything. I have no idea how to solve this issue. Only the U.S. could solve it by changing it's laws. The EU can't just change it's constitution...

Terretta 6y ago

From the “article”: Many German Data Protection Authorities have already concluded at various points that the use of Office 365 in schools is illegal and use of foreign-hosted chat and video communication services poses compliance problems, recommending Nextcloud Talk instead. The Swedish and Dutch have come to the same conclusion repeatedly. Aside from starting with the telltale “many”, stuffing Nextcloud in there was just awkward.

detaro 6y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23857072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23857072