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Looks more like US democracy is collapsing from the inside than due to external factors.
by magicsmoke 6y ago
Looks more like US democracy is collapsing from the inside than due to external factors.
- dimitrios1 6y agoAlso, mostly thanks to foreign actors manipulating technology. Hope we are all seeing the pattern here.
- free_rms 6y agoPardon my phrasing, but that's some bullshit buck-passing. If 100 russians or whomever can subvert our democracy, we never really had it together to begin with, did we? Maybe, and this sounds crazy, but maybe it's domestic people trying to whip up a fallacious outside threat for insider political reasons. A totally unheard of phenomenon.
- dimitrios1 6y agoConsidering spies and espionage literally turned the tide of two world wars, you might be selling the effectiveness of it short when conducted at a nation-state level. Again to your reply, I don't think you understand how pervasive and wide reaching it has become. We are talking about entire groups of protesters and counter-protesters being organized and subsequently funded through donation platforms solely by foreign social accounts.
- free_rms 6y agoThis isn't cracking enigma, this is shit-posting on social media. I'm fine with the fun and games and industrial espionage, let the best man win. It's not a threat to our democracy unless our democracy is critically weak. Where's the accountability?
- chillacy 6y agoReminds me of wartime psy-ops: Airborne leaflet propaganda: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_leaflet_propaganda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_leaflet_propaganda Also, Taiwan has a huge speaker array pointed at mainland china which blasts propaganda: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/beishan-broadcast-station-art https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/beishan-broadcast-stat... Though sometimes it ends up making the target stronger if it can overcome the complaints E.g. Soviet propaganda highlighting racial injustice in the US probably forced some real changes in the 60s.
- philliphaydon 6y ago> Also, Taiwan has a huge speaker array pointed at mainland china which blasts propaganda: Had.
- chillacy 6y agoAfaik they still have it, but it isn't used to blast propaganda anymore (just play music for tourists). I haven't found any more recent news articles saying it was removed or taken down, and wikipedia doesn't mention its removal.
- philliphaydon 6y agoIt literally says in the first article you posted: > until it was taken off duty in the 1970s Followed later by: > Kinmen stopped using the speakers for such things sometime in the 1970s, opting instead to occasionally play the songs of the Taiwanese pop star Teresa Teng, at moderate volume, for the benefit of tourists. Taiwan ended martial law in 1987, it's been a democracy ever since. They don't spread propaganda, they are too busy worrying about themselves and trying to ensure they have a good image to distance themselves from china.
- chillacy 6y agoAh I was confused because your suggestion of "Taiwain had" implies that they no longer have it, whereas they do have it but no longer use it. So technically this should be the sentence: > Also, Taiwan has a huge speaker array pointed at mainland china which [used to blast] propaganda Thanks for pointing that out.