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Yes, very productive things have come out of the dog and pony show: tons of conversation and debate amongst voters as people familiarize themselves with the nua

Yes, very productive things have come out of the dog and pony show: tons of conversation and debate amongst voters as people familiarize themselves with the nuance of these topics. Do I trust the politicians? Maybe not the ones you're describing but read through Elizabeth Warren's proposal around platform utilities: https://medium.com/@teamwarren/heres-how-we-can-break-up-big-tech-9ad9e0da324c https://medium.com/@teamwarren/heres-how-we-can-break-up-big... Maybe you agree, maybe you don't - the point is that it's clearly a well-articulated position. Not all US politicians are idiots, but the loudest ones certainly make it seem that way.

scarface74 6y ago
Right because a representative who asked Zuckerberg about a Twitter policy is really smart. The very first paragraph she used MS as an example of when the government intervened in tech. How did that work out? Microsoft is still one of the five largest companies in tech and still has the same dominance in PC operating systems and productivity apps.
- d0gbread 6y ago
  I said "voters are discussing" and you said "representatives are idiots". I'm not sure you're hearing my POV. Stupid questions and ineffective historical decisions or not, are you suggesting we just throw in the towel based on a snapshot of our government? Can we not vote in better representation once the population tears into these issues and better understand the outcomes we want?
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Yes because out of all the issues that voters care about. I’m sure “breaking up big tech” so you can put an emulator on an iPhone ranks above (hopefully my list equally hits conservative and liberal talking points): - gun control - health care - unemployment - “The War on Christmas” - “those evil immigrants who are taking away your jobs” - banning straws so we stop killing fish - free college education The fact is that the only reason $BigTech is $BigTech is because people voluntarily use their products - especially Apple that has a minority market share and charges a premium. Everyone knows how much money they give Apple/Amazon for their products - unlike Facebook and Google.
    - d0gbread 6y ago
      But everyone does NOT know how much data they hand over and how that's used to stifle competition, innovation, and has attributable impact to many of the other items you list - and that's what's being vetted right now. No one has issue with high revenue, that's the reward for winning. We're discussing HOW you win, and if that needs modification. Most people I know are more than capable to read, learn, and form educated opinions on everything on your list as well as this topic. We might be at a stalemate here since you won't be convincing me the discovery process into these issues isn't worth it, and I'm not sure I can convince you to not judge an entire nation by its lowest common denominator, be it extreme left or extreme right, which is what I'm drawing from your previous comment.
      - scarface74 6y ago
        Well, we have statistics. We all know how most people vote. https://news.gallup.com/poll/244367/top-issues-voters-healthcare-economy-immigration.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/244367/top-issues-voters-health... Where do you think the following issues rank in the list? Facebook/Google collecting data. Especially in the case of FB where people willingly give it data. Amazon - effects on small retailers (disclaimer I work at AWS) Apple - A) taking a 30% cut when most of the money comes from play to win games. B) Or that you can’t sign up for subscription services in the app C) you can’t sideload. People have been fine with buying through iTunes/App Store since 2003. We know that many people on the right are single issue voters - religion, gun rights , abortion. There are probably many single issue voters on the left. The only one that I can think of is “not Trump”.
        d0gbread 6y ago
        More lowest common denominator talk despite these issues being economic which was ranked as the #2 issue in the source you presented. The three options you present are a completely different level of granularity, I'm not clear why you're ranking them. No one is a single issue voter down to Apple's 30% cut, that's just a piece being discussed to better understand the larger issue (or lack thereof, if that's your point of view).

scarface74 6y ago

Right because a representative who asked Zuckerberg about a Twitter policy is really smart. The very first paragraph she used MS as an example of when the government intervened in tech. How did that work out? Microsoft is still one of the five largest companies in tech and still has the same dominance in PC operating systems and productivity apps.

d0gbread 6y ago
I said "voters are discussing" and you said "representatives are idiots". I'm not sure you're hearing my POV. Stupid questions and ineffective historical decisions or not, are you suggesting we just throw in the towel based on a snapshot of our government? Can we not vote in better representation once the population tears into these issues and better understand the outcomes we want?
- scarface74 6y ago
  Yes because out of all the issues that voters care about. I’m sure “breaking up big tech” so you can put an emulator on an iPhone ranks above (hopefully my list equally hits conservative and liberal talking points): - gun control - health care - unemployment - “The War on Christmas” - “those evil immigrants who are taking away your jobs” - banning straws so we stop killing fish - free college education The fact is that the only reason $BigTech is $BigTech is because people voluntarily use their products - especially Apple that has a minority market share and charges a premium. Everyone knows how much money they give Apple/Amazon for their products - unlike Facebook and Google.
  - d0gbread 6y ago
    But everyone does NOT know how much data they hand over and how that's used to stifle competition, innovation, and has attributable impact to many of the other items you list - and that's what's being vetted right now. No one has issue with high revenue, that's the reward for winning. We're discussing HOW you win, and if that needs modification. Most people I know are more than capable to read, learn, and form educated opinions on everything on your list as well as this topic. We might be at a stalemate here since you won't be convincing me the discovery process into these issues isn't worth it, and I'm not sure I can convince you to not judge an entire nation by its lowest common denominator, be it extreme left or extreme right, which is what I'm drawing from your previous comment.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      Well, we have statistics. We all know how most people vote. https://news.gallup.com/poll/244367/top-issues-voters-healthcare-economy-immigration.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/244367/top-issues-voters-health... Where do you think the following issues rank in the list? Facebook/Google collecting data. Especially in the case of FB where people willingly give it data. Amazon - effects on small retailers (disclaimer I work at AWS) Apple - A) taking a 30% cut when most of the money comes from play to win games. B) Or that you can’t sign up for subscription services in the app C) you can’t sideload. People have been fine with buying through iTunes/App Store since 2003. We know that many people on the right are single issue voters - religion, gun rights , abortion. There are probably many single issue voters on the left. The only one that I can think of is “not Trump”.
      - d0gbread 6y ago
        More lowest common denominator talk despite these issues being economic which was ranked as the #2 issue in the source you presented. The three options you present are a completely different level of granularity, I'm not clear why you're ranking them. No one is a single issue voter down to Apple's 30% cut, that's just a piece being discussed to better understand the larger issue (or lack thereof, if that's your point of view).