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[citation needed] My experience directly conflicts with this and IIUC most GNU/Linux users have exactly the opposite impression. Maybe you're thinking of some p

[citation needed] My experience directly conflicts with this and IIUC most GNU/Linux users have exactly the opposite impression. Maybe you're thinking of some past situation?

verroq 6y ago
No I am thinking of the situation where the open source driver doesn’t have opencl support and the AMD drivers (fglrx) doesn’t compile or requires dependencies so old that it was dropped by the packagers for Arch Linux, all this for a few years until they come out with something that actually works when I’ve never ever had an issue with Nvidia. Also AMD never ever figured out how to fix screen tearing, or do so in a sane that doesn’t involve trial and error editing xorg.conf. Even on Windows AMD drivers are the most unstable, bugged software that’s even been shipped. It’s been a long standing joke that AMD “has no drivers”.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Yeah, fglrx driver with the issues you mention, offered OpenGL 4.1 support on a graphic card I have. The open source driver replacement only does OpenGL 3.3. I guess I should be happy it does any OpenGL at all.
pjmlp 6y ago
Here, my card on the travel netbook that I use, https://www.gpuzoo.com/GPU-AMD/Radeon_HD_6320_IGP.html https://www.gpuzoo.com/GPU-AMD/Radeon_HD_6320_IGP.html The open source driver is kind of ok if the only thing we expect from it is getting a working X session. Now if one wants to do some complex OpenGL stuff, then it might work, or not.
- pezezin 6y ago
  That card is super old, before GCN. Have you tried with something a little bit more recent? I used to have a HD 7950 and it always worked perfectly, same with my current Vega 56.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Sure, how do I replace the card on an otherwise perfectly working laptop? The usual linux answer to hardware problems, keeps being to buy new hardware.
    - pezezin 6y ago
      I would say that's a much more prevalent attitude in the Windows and Mac worlds. Linux tries to keep compatibility with really old software. It was only 4 years ago that major distros started to require at least a 686, aka Pentium Pro, released in November 1995! But at some point you have to consider if it's really worth it keeping a 10 year old laptop around. It's painful to say them goodbye, I know, I have been there, but for me it's just not worth it.
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        Asus sold the laptop with Windows 7 support as well, the drivers kept being updated up to Windows 8.1, and thanks to Windows driver ABI, those drivers work perfectly fine in Windows 10. No need to throw a perfectly working laptop to enjoy the DirectX 11 and OpenGL 4.1 capabilities that it was sold for.
fluffything 6y ago
Take any AMD 5000 series card. I had a top of the line 5700. Still no driver for compute 1 year later. I'm so happy i decided to return it and switch to intel instead of waiting for AMD or some random joe on their free time to add support for it to their open source driver. So yeah. I'd take a working proprietary driver over no driver any day.

[citation needed] My experience directly conflicts with this and IIUC most GNU/Linux users have exactly the opposite impression. Maybe you're thinking of some past situation?

verroq 6y ago

No I am thinking of the situation where the open source driver doesn’t have opencl support and the AMD drivers (fglrx) doesn’t compile or requires dependencies so old that it was dropped by the packagers for Arch Linux, all this for a few years until they come out with something that actually works when I’ve never ever had an issue with Nvidia. Also AMD never ever figured out how to fix screen tearing, or do so in a sane that doesn’t involve trial and error editing xorg.conf. Even on Windows AMD drivers are the most unstable, bugged software that’s even been shipped. It’s been a long standing joke that AMD “has no drivers”.

pjmlp 6y ago
Yeah, fglrx driver with the issues you mention, offered OpenGL 4.1 support on a graphic card I have. The open source driver replacement only does OpenGL 3.3. I guess I should be happy it does any OpenGL at all.

pjmlp 6y ago

Here, my card on the travel netbook that I use, https://www.gpuzoo.com/GPU-AMD/Radeon_HD_6320_IGP.html https://www.gpuzoo.com/GPU-AMD/Radeon_HD_6320_IGP.html The open source driver is kind of ok if the only thing we expect from it is getting a working X session. Now if one wants to do some complex OpenGL stuff, then it might work, or not.

pezezin 6y ago
That card is super old, before GCN. Have you tried with something a little bit more recent? I used to have a HD 7950 and it always worked perfectly, same with my current Vega 56.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Sure, how do I replace the card on an otherwise perfectly working laptop? The usual linux answer to hardware problems, keeps being to buy new hardware.
  - pezezin 6y ago
    I would say that's a much more prevalent attitude in the Windows and Mac worlds. Linux tries to keep compatibility with really old software. It was only 4 years ago that major distros started to require at least a 686, aka Pentium Pro, released in November 1995! But at some point you have to consider if it's really worth it keeping a 10 year old laptop around. It's painful to say them goodbye, I know, I have been there, but for me it's just not worth it.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Asus sold the laptop with Windows 7 support as well, the drivers kept being updated up to Windows 8.1, and thanks to Windows driver ABI, those drivers work perfectly fine in Windows 10. No need to throw a perfectly working laptop to enjoy the DirectX 11 and OpenGL 4.1 capabilities that it was sold for.

fluffything 6y ago

Take any AMD 5000 series card. I had a top of the line 5700. Still no driver for compute 1 year later. I'm so happy i decided to return it and switch to intel instead of waiting for AMD or some random joe on their free time to add support for it to their open source driver. So yeah. I'd take a working proprietary driver over no driver any day.