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The sentences should run concurrently. 4 years for setting a car on fire is not unreasonable, although maybe a little harsh depending on priors. It's a dangero
by reitzensteinm 6y ago
The sentences should run concurrently.
4 years for setting a car on fire is not unreasonable, although maybe a little harsh depending on priors. It's a dangerous thing to do.
But setting five cars on fire is not particularly worse than setting one car on fire.
- VWWHFSfQ 6y agoSetting five police cars on fire is an act of domestic terrorism. That's not in any way a normal protest action.. That's what the prosecutor will argue.
- reitzensteinm 6y agoI agree the crime is serious. But that she did it more than once doesn't make it proportionally more serious, and certainly should not make the sentence proportionally longer.
- bobbylarrybobby 6y agoThe Boston Tea Party was an act of domestic terrorism. It's hard to determine whether an act is right or wrong without a good duration of hindsight.
- VWWHFSfQ 6y agoYep and maybe she'll be vindicated by future historians. But right now she's going to do 20 years.
- caetris1 6y agoDoubtful.
- remarkEon 6y agoThe only reason that we look at the Boston Tea Party as a "good" thing that happened is because that side ended up winning a war. If the British had won that conflict it would be a footnote in history, noting that some hooligans destroyed some property.
- dragonwriter 6y ago> The only reason that we look at the Boston Tea Party as a "good" thing that happened is because that side ended up winning a war. No, it's because they ended up winning a war and became us. If it has been a group that went on to win war of national liberation against us, we probably wouldn't too kindly on it.
- remarkEon 6y agoSure, but the point remains. We remember the Boston Tea Party as a good thing only because the victors of that war celebrate it.
- tomc1985 6y agoWas it? Which part of it caused terror? I mean, unless you're trying to be funny.
- frank2 6y agoSure, but no one would argue, I hope, that British society would have been improved if the British government had changed their laws so that the Tea Party would no longer be a crime.
- dragonwriter 6y ago> Setting five police cars on fire is an act of domestic terrorism No, it's not. > That's not in any way a normal protest action. Well, yeah, that’s why it's prosecutable as a crime at all rather than protected first amendment speech.
- tomc1985 6y agoSetting five police cars on fire is punk rock, not "domestic terrorism" Setting cars on fire is not an act of spreading terror. It is an act of defiance
- VWWHFSfQ 6y agoYour Honor, I firebombed those police cars because I'm PUNK ROCK! do you see how you sound
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- tomc1985 6y agoAgain, you are misunderstanding the intention. 9/11 was an act of terrorism. Setting police cars on fire is vandalism, destruction of government property, maybe something for endangering police officers or something. All things condoned by your local friendly "anarchists". What it isn't is terrorism. Now go and listen to some Rage Against the Machine. Are they terrorists?
- darkerside 6y agoIs lighting crosses on fire terrorism?
- tomc1985 6y agoYes, because the whole point of that act is to terrify whoever lives on the property of the cross you're burning
- darkerside 6y agoWhy are people lighting cop cars on fire? Please don't say it's to make an intelligent and nuanced political statement.
- skinnymuch 6y agoIt feels terrorizing to call lighting cars on fire terrorism.
- entropea 6y agoI remember when terrorism was blowing up a building injuring almost 1000 people and killing countless more, or crashing airplanes into two buildings, killing 3000 and injuring countless more. Burning police cars that ended in not even an injury is a felony, but terrorism? No way. I really wish people would stop lowering the bar for what's called terrorism. It's a very dangerous slope.
- tikwidd 6y agoMaiming peaceful protesters with mace and rubber bullets is a dangerous thing to do.
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- mewpmewp2 6y agoWhat about murdering 5 people vs 1 person? Although I would agree in this case and the rationale would be that it probably would take not much more amount of time to adjust behaviour of someone who did 5 vehicles vs 1. But maybe something like 7 years instead.
- reitzensteinm 6y agoI'm certainly not arguing all sentences should be concurrent. Most are, and I believe it's appropriate in this case.
- ulisesrmzroche 6y agoLife vs Items is a totally different thing. Not comparable whatsoever
- kijin 6y agoO(log n) or O(sqrt(n)) might be a reasonable compromise between concurrent and consecutive sentences.
- antihero 6y agoFour years of someone's life for damaging an inanimate object? Absolutely absurd. Did people get hurt? No. Fuck that. I often wonder if the "justice" system is a worse thing than criminals some of the time.