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It is honestly frightening that HN wants to give the government more power over tech after what we've seen from Australia and forced backdoors.

Apocryphon 6y ago
It is honestly frightening that HN wants to give Apple more power over tech after what we've seen from their treatment of HEY, the butterfly keyboard, and the Magic Mouse 2 port.
- xvector 6y ago
  God forbid a company makes products they want? How is the Magic Mouse 2 hurting you in any way?
  - Apocryphon 6y ago
    https://www.creativebloq.com/news/worst-apple-design-ever https://www.creativebloq.com/news/worst-apple-design-ever
    - xvector 6y ago
      Again, neither you nor the government get to force a company into making products you like. Apple does not exist for you or your whims. There are plenty of other mice on the market, and the Magic Mouse 2 isn’t harming you in any way.
      - Apocryphon 6y ago
        I actually use a Magic Mouse 2 and am quite satisfied with it, but others disagree. The previous post was obviously a facetious one.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Yes because Apple with 10% market share in computers has so much power over the computer market. I’m sure the same congress where one of the Senators asked Zuckerberg about why Twitter put Don Jr in time out could design the perfect keyboard and mouse. Basecamp also restricts who can integrate with their platform.
d0gbread 6y ago
It's not "more power over tech," it's the job of government. Distribution of power, promoting competition, tweaking the rules as little as is deemed necessary. Is it really so outrageous to consider there might be a consolidation of power in a way we haven't dealt with before, seeing Amazon crush partners overnight, or Facebook impacting elections? The very same HN that longs for the early internet, with web rings and personality, doesn't have a problem with Google scrapping content from pages you would have otherwise visited, further limiting smaller website's revenue opportunity? For those of you not seeing clear anticompetitive behaviors that warrant discovery -- where is your line?
- scarface74 6y ago
  Facebook impacted elections for conservatives - the same people that are complaining about an anti conservative bias. What would you propose the government do? Force people not to use FB who willingly go to their site? Have the government say what is and is not allowed on their platform.
  - d0gbread 6y ago
    I don't care who's barking about what and if they're consistent about it. Either there is or is not an underlying risk we should aim to minimize. As far as what I might want to see, since you asked: for one, I would like to see more rigor around the acquisition process to eliminate or even undo some of the consolidation. I won't pretend to understand the details of how or what needs to change, but I am more than open to taking a hard look at things like WhatsApp and Instagram being acquired by Facebook and what kinds of power centralization that enables. I hope smarter people than me will do that research and make intelligible cases so we can all hold evidence-backed positions. Look at the valuation, never mind the societal impact, of these companies -- data is worth far more than your average consumer realizes, at least once it hits an inflection point, and our laws don't currently reflect that. Maybe they should, maybe they shouldn't. I welcome the discovery, and don't feel like we need to be anywhere near a solution yet.
wayneftw 6y ago
Yeah, you’re right...Anybody should be allowed to do anything that they want like on the highway where you’re allowed to just ram your car into other drivers without any consequences.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Right because ramming your car into someone else is the equivalent of not being able to side load apps on a phone that you don’t have to buy.
  - wayneftw 6y ago
    Right, because that's exactly what I said. The point that you missed, since you're being extremely uncharitable, is that rule by government works more often than it doesn't. Nobody agrees with you here. That's why all of your comments that got any attention are disappearing.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      See the “War on Drugs” and the “War on Crime” as counterpoints.

Apocryphon 6y ago

It is honestly frightening that HN wants to give Apple more power over tech after what we've seen from their treatment of HEY, the butterfly keyboard, and the Magic Mouse 2 port.

xvector 6y ago
God forbid a company makes products they want? How is the Magic Mouse 2 hurting you in any way?
- Apocryphon 6y ago
  https://www.creativebloq.com/news/worst-apple-design-ever https://www.creativebloq.com/news/worst-apple-design-ever
  - xvector 6y ago
    Again, neither you nor the government get to force a company into making products you like. Apple does not exist for you or your whims. There are plenty of other mice on the market, and the Magic Mouse 2 isn’t harming you in any way.
    - Apocryphon 6y ago
      I actually use a Magic Mouse 2 and am quite satisfied with it, but others disagree. The previous post was obviously a facetious one.
scarface74 6y ago
Yes because Apple with 10% market share in computers has so much power over the computer market. I’m sure the same congress where one of the Senators asked Zuckerberg about why Twitter put Don Jr in time out could design the perfect keyboard and mouse. Basecamp also restricts who can integrate with their platform.

d0gbread 6y ago

It's not "more power over tech," it's the job of government. Distribution of power, promoting competition, tweaking the rules as little as is deemed necessary. Is it really so outrageous to consider there might be a consolidation of power in a way we haven't dealt with before, seeing Amazon crush partners overnight, or Facebook impacting elections? The very same HN that longs for the early internet, with web rings and personality, doesn't have a problem with Google scrapping content from pages you would have otherwise visited, further limiting smaller website's revenue opportunity? For those of you not seeing clear anticompetitive behaviors that warrant discovery -- where is your line?

scarface74 6y ago
Facebook impacted elections for conservatives - the same people that are complaining about an anti conservative bias. What would you propose the government do? Force people not to use FB who willingly go to their site? Have the government say what is and is not allowed on their platform.
- d0gbread 6y ago
  I don't care who's barking about what and if they're consistent about it. Either there is or is not an underlying risk we should aim to minimize. As far as what I might want to see, since you asked: for one, I would like to see more rigor around the acquisition process to eliminate or even undo some of the consolidation. I won't pretend to understand the details of how or what needs to change, but I am more than open to taking a hard look at things like WhatsApp and Instagram being acquired by Facebook and what kinds of power centralization that enables. I hope smarter people than me will do that research and make intelligible cases so we can all hold evidence-backed positions. Look at the valuation, never mind the societal impact, of these companies -- data is worth far more than your average consumer realizes, at least once it hits an inflection point, and our laws don't currently reflect that. Maybe they should, maybe they shouldn't. I welcome the discovery, and don't feel like we need to be anywhere near a solution yet.

wayneftw 6y ago

Yeah, you’re right...Anybody should be allowed to do anything that they want like on the highway where you’re allowed to just ram your car into other drivers without any consequences.

scarface74 6y ago
Right because ramming your car into someone else is the equivalent of not being able to side load apps on a phone that you don’t have to buy.
- wayneftw 6y ago
  Right, because that's exactly what I said. The point that you missed, since you're being extremely uncharitable, is that rule by government works more often than it doesn't. Nobody agrees with you here. That's why all of your comments that got any attention are disappearing.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    See the “War on Drugs” and the “War on Crime” as counterpoints.