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I am a big Apple fan, but seriously, you guys are bending yourselves into pretzels to make up excuses for Apple. we already know what a market without a mandat

I am a big Apple fan, but seriously, you guys are bending yourselves into pretzels to make up excuses for Apple. we already know what a market without a mandatory App Store looks like because it is like that for the Mac. I still prefer buying apps through Apple’s store. Due to safety, ease of use etc. But I am happy alternatives exist when I need them. They could follow a similar model for iPhone where non-Apple stores have to be enabled specifically with a security warning.

rrrrrrrrrrrryan 6y ago
An F-Droid equivalent for iOS would be awesome.
- ProZsolt 6y ago
  The problem you can't even sideload apps on iPhone.
jagged-chisel 6y ago
I fear the inevitable end down that path lies people who bought an iDevice, enabled alternative stores, were duped/hacked/otherwise-invaded, visited a Genius only to be told Apple won’t help them, and then lawsuits against Apple for their trouble.
- wayneftw 6y ago
  So this must’ve happened to Google already since they allow sideloading... I was not able to find anything.
  - jackewiehose 6y ago
    I hate the current situation where you buy a 1000$ pocket-computer and when you want to run your own software on it they call it "sideloading" and it might not be even possible.
    - xvector 6y ago
      Fortunately there are a ton of $1000 pocket computers on the market that let you do precisely that.
- Silhouette 6y ago
  The rest of the software world hasn't collapsed into class action hell because people installed stuff they shouldn't have on their equipment, and it's had a few decades to try. Why would we expect the iDevice ecosystem to do so now? The hypothetical lawsuits you describe don't seem very likely to succeed. No doubt a few people will complain, and then they'll discover the hard way that there is no technological cure for carelessness and whatever other platform they go to next will similarly be compromised if they are similarly careless about what they install on their equipment.
sneak 6y ago
My most important apps are installed outside of the App Store (on macOS) simply because many types of apps are just not allowed in the App Store, such as Little Snitch. Same thing for Nix and VirtualBox. Recall also how Apple forced out Tumblr, a blog reader app (simply a window to UGC) on iOS because they didn’t like the UGC.
perl4ever 6y ago
My excuse for Apple is that I use Android. The word "monopoly" means nothing any more.

rrrrrrrrrrrryan 6y ago

An F-Droid equivalent for iOS would be awesome.

ProZsolt 6y ago
The problem you can't even sideload apps on iPhone.

jagged-chisel 6y ago

I fear the inevitable end down that path lies people who bought an iDevice, enabled alternative stores, were duped/hacked/otherwise-invaded, visited a Genius only to be told Apple won’t help them, and then lawsuits against Apple for their trouble.

wayneftw 6y ago
So this must’ve happened to Google already since they allow sideloading... I was not able to find anything.
- jackewiehose 6y ago
  I hate the current situation where you buy a 1000$ pocket-computer and when you want to run your own software on it they call it "sideloading" and it might not be even possible.
  - xvector 6y ago
    Fortunately there are a ton of $1000 pocket computers on the market that let you do precisely that.
Silhouette 6y ago
The rest of the software world hasn't collapsed into class action hell because people installed stuff they shouldn't have on their equipment, and it's had a few decades to try. Why would we expect the iDevice ecosystem to do so now? The hypothetical lawsuits you describe don't seem very likely to succeed. No doubt a few people will complain, and then they'll discover the hard way that there is no technological cure for carelessness and whatever other platform they go to next will similarly be compromised if they are similarly careless about what they install on their equipment.

sneak 6y ago

My most important apps are installed outside of the App Store (on macOS) simply because many types of apps are just not allowed in the App Store, such as Little Snitch. Same thing for Nix and VirtualBox. Recall also how Apple forced out Tumblr, a blog reader app (simply a window to UGC) on iOS because they didn’t like the UGC.

perl4ever 6y ago

My excuse for Apple is that I use Android. The word "monopoly" means nothing any more.