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Rest assured that despite the somehow surprisingly recent blind support for Apple here, there are people too that want to own our devices. I can just hope that

Rest assured that despite the somehow surprisingly recent blind support for Apple here, there are people too that want to own our devices. I can just hope that the EU is successful in stopping all of Apple's trickeries ranging from 2.5mm headset jacks, ports, OS slow downs, mysterious battery underperformance, app store, the list just goes on.

saagarjha 6y ago
> I can just hope that the EU is successful in stopping all of Apple's trickeries ranging from 2.5mm headset jacks, ports, OS slow downs, mysterious battery underperformance Entirely unrelated, and it's 3.5 mm by the way.
- wlesieutre 6y ago
  2.5mm jacks exist but iOS devices have never used them. I think some feature phones did that back in the day. Personally I've only encountered them on a pair of headphones where they're a step up from a soldered on cable, but more annoying than a standard jack would be. It's also recessed really far in with a very narrow twist-lock connector, so isn't compatible with any cables except the special one it comes with.
xvector 6y ago
> headset jacks You want the EU to regulate whether a company wants to put a headphone jack in their devices? > OS slow downs iOS has gotten faster over time [1]. > mysterious battery underperformance It's common knowledge that this was an honest engineering mistake because as a phone ages, the battery cannot support the max voltage of the processor. Apple now lets you enable full performance with the understanding that your phone might shut down on you when you need it most. > app store Which we've determined not to be a monopoly as Apple is a minority player in the mobile device space. > the list just goes on. So you've suggested 4 things, 3 of which don't apply and 1 of which (headphone jacks) would be gross governmental overreach. It seems to me that you just want the company to burn and you want the EU to regulate the hell out of everything in your life. For example, deciding whether I want to put a headphone jack on my next device is my choice, not the EU's choice, and it would be tyrannical and innovation-stifling to let them have a say over something like that. It is very reasonable for you to just buy something else if you don't like an Apple device, since Apple is not a monopoly in the mobile space. However, neither you nor the government should have the right to force Apple to develop a product you like. Apple does not exist to satisfy your whims. [1]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/09/ios-13-the-ars-technica-review/6/#h2 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/09/ios-13-the-ars-techn...
- Apocryphon 6y ago
  > You want the EU to regulate whether a company wants to put a headphone jack in their devices? > So you've suggested 4 things, 3 of which don't apply and 1 of which (headphone jacks) would be gross governmental overreach. There is precedence for the EU mandating Apple change their hardware practices: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2020/02/11/apple-challenges-europes-mooted-lightning-cable-ban/#461176df12f2 https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2020/02/11/apple-ch... > So you've suggested 4 things, 3 of which don't apply and 1 of which (headphone jacks) would be gross governmental overreach. Here's a 5th one: https://www.macrumors.com/2020/05/29/tile-writes-to-eu-accusing-apple-of-abuse-of-power/ https://www.macrumors.com/2020/05/29/tile-writes-to-eu-accus...
  - xvector 6y ago
    In your first source: letting the EU regulate the charging cable would have been provably dumb and absurd. Lightning was years ahead of Micro-USB when it was released and served as inspiration for USB-C. Just another example of how government overregulation would harm innovation and industries. The second source is Tile complaining about the privacy warnings in iOS 13. It’s laughable. Customers are turning off abusive always-on surveillance thanks to iOS 13 notifications and this is hurting Tile. Working as intended.
    - Apocryphon 6y ago
      Regardless of the prudence of the EU regulating the cable, the very fact that they have weighed in on the subject shows that hardware decisions are within the court's purview, and so would headphone jacks, presumably. One's opinion of said prudence is up for debate, certainly. The Tile situation is TBD, pending Apple's release of AirTags. Will iOS user location notifications pop up as frequently in Apple's first party Find My app as it does in Tile's app? Stay tuned! Also, the letter mentions the matter of Apple removing their previous Tile store presence (presumably in favor of AirTags), which is within their power but brings up the matter of Sherlocking. Sure, Sherlocking is legal- but is it ethical? Is it right when Facebook scouts other apps to duplicate it in their app? Is it right when Apple does the same to preexisting apps in its App Store? At the very least, these legal cases- whether you think them prudent or not- bring them before the public for examination and discussion.

saagarjha 6y ago

> I can just hope that the EU is successful in stopping all of Apple's trickeries ranging from 2.5mm headset jacks, ports, OS slow downs, mysterious battery underperformance Entirely unrelated, and it's 3.5 mm by the way.

wlesieutre 6y ago
2.5mm jacks exist but iOS devices have never used them. I think some feature phones did that back in the day. Personally I've only encountered them on a pair of headphones where they're a step up from a soldered on cable, but more annoying than a standard jack would be. It's also recessed really far in with a very narrow twist-lock connector, so isn't compatible with any cables except the special one it comes with.

xvector 6y ago

> headset jacks You want the EU to regulate whether a company wants to put a headphone jack in their devices? > OS slow downs iOS has gotten faster over time [1]. > mysterious battery underperformance It's common knowledge that this was an honest engineering mistake because as a phone ages, the battery cannot support the max voltage of the processor. Apple now lets you enable full performance with the understanding that your phone might shut down on you when you need it most. > app store Which we've determined not to be a monopoly as Apple is a minority player in the mobile device space. > the list just goes on. So you've suggested 4 things, 3 of which don't apply and 1 of which (headphone jacks) would be gross governmental overreach. It seems to me that you just want the company to burn and you want the EU to regulate the hell out of everything in your life. For example, deciding whether I want to put a headphone jack on my next device is my choice, not the EU's choice, and it would be tyrannical and innovation-stifling to let them have a say over something like that. It is very reasonable for you to just buy something else if you don't like an Apple device, since Apple is not a monopoly in the mobile space. However, neither you nor the government should have the right to force Apple to develop a product you like. Apple does not exist to satisfy your whims. [1]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/09/ios-13-the-ars-technica-review/6/#h2 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/09/ios-13-the-ars-techn...

Apocryphon 6y ago
> You want the EU to regulate whether a company wants to put a headphone jack in their devices? > So you've suggested 4 things, 3 of which don't apply and 1 of which (headphone jacks) would be gross governmental overreach. There is precedence for the EU mandating Apple change their hardware practices: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2020/02/11/apple-challenges-europes-mooted-lightning-cable-ban/#461176df12f2 https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2020/02/11/apple-ch... > So you've suggested 4 things, 3 of which don't apply and 1 of which (headphone jacks) would be gross governmental overreach. Here's a 5th one: https://www.macrumors.com/2020/05/29/tile-writes-to-eu-accusing-apple-of-abuse-of-power/ https://www.macrumors.com/2020/05/29/tile-writes-to-eu-accus...
- xvector 6y ago
  In your first source: letting the EU regulate the charging cable would have been provably dumb and absurd. Lightning was years ahead of Micro-USB when it was released and served as inspiration for USB-C. Just another example of how government overregulation would harm innovation and industries. The second source is Tile complaining about the privacy warnings in iOS 13. It’s laughable. Customers are turning off abusive always-on surveillance thanks to iOS 13 notifications and this is hurting Tile. Working as intended.
  - Apocryphon 6y ago
    Regardless of the prudence of the EU regulating the cable, the very fact that they have weighed in on the subject shows that hardware decisions are within the court's purview, and so would headphone jacks, presumably. One's opinion of said prudence is up for debate, certainly. The Tile situation is TBD, pending Apple's release of AirTags. Will iOS user location notifications pop up as frequently in Apple's first party Find My app as it does in Tile's app? Stay tuned! Also, the letter mentions the matter of Apple removing their previous Tile store presence (presumably in favor of AirTags), which is within their power but brings up the matter of Sherlocking. Sure, Sherlocking is legal- but is it ethical? Is it right when Facebook scouts other apps to duplicate it in their app? Is it right when Apple does the same to preexisting apps in its App Store? At the very least, these legal cases- whether you think them prudent or not- bring them before the public for examination and discussion.