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> My ancestors lived in Israel since 1880 No, they lived in Palestine. In hindsight, having been the Palestinians pushed away from their lands, first through

by Udik 6y ago

> My ancestors lived in Israel since 1880 No, they lived in Palestine. In hindsight, having been the Palestinians pushed away from their lands, first through mass immigration, then by the generous gift made by Europe of those lands to the immigrants, and finally through ethnic cleansing and land grabbing, in hindsight their violence towards the newcomers was perfectly justified. How can you blame them if they saw in advance what was happening?

skinkestek 6y ago
There never was a Palestinian people or a Palestinian contry. After last time the Jews (Israeli) lived there those areas went from being Roman to Turkish to British to being split into mostly Jordan and Israel. Jordan was the big part - for the Palestinian Arabs - and Israel was about the about 30 % that was left for Palestinian Jews. At no point in time however before the Oslo process has there been a Palestinian country, only Arabs and Jews living in Palestine, better known as Israel until that massive propaganda effort last century.
- Kednicma 6y ago
  You're being disingenuous; if we call them not just Palestinians, but Philistines or the Peleset, then they are mentioned in multiple histories of the region. While the region passed through Roman, Turkish, and British control, the only time when there was a large influx of foreign folks was during the Islamic expansion, when many Arabs moved into Palestine. Other than that, they've been there since around the Bronze Age Collapse; their history traces through the Iron Age just like Israelite/Jewish history.
- apta 6y ago
  > There never was a Palestinian people or a Palestinian contry. Quite a ridiculous statement. The entire region that spans today's Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine "Israel" was known as Bilad Al-Sham. There were no individual countries with today's borders under the Rashidun Caliphate, to the Ummayads and all the way to the Ottoman empires, just regions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilad_al-Sham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilad_al-Sham
- Udik 6y ago
  > There never was a Palestinian people or a Palestinian contry. Your home and the city you live in, probably your entire region, were never a nation. Does that authorise someone else to come and throw you out? Of course not. Let's stop playing with words. Especially when these arguments come from people who are all recent immigrants to a country that never existed in the past 2000 years and who have changed their surnames from Polish or Russian to made up Hebrew ones.
dagav 6y ago
You're right that it was Palestine, they even have Palestinian immigration papers. But that land was always called Israel by the Jews, and on those same papers it says "Eretz Israel" in Hebrew. The Jews and Palestinians could have lived in peace. The land was settled legally, and the Arabs never controlled it. They chose war instead of peace, when they could have chosen to live together as two nations.
- apta 6y ago
  > the Arabs never controlled it Zionist lies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilad_al-Sham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilad_al-Sham

by Udik 6y ago

skinkestek 6y ago

There never was a Palestinian people or a Palestinian contry. After last time the Jews (Israeli) lived there those areas went from being Roman to Turkish to British to being split into mostly Jordan and Israel. Jordan was the big part - for the Palestinian Arabs - and Israel was about the about 30 % that was left for Palestinian Jews. At no point in time however before the Oslo process has there been a Palestinian country, only Arabs and Jews living in Palestine, better known as Israel until that massive propaganda effort last century.

Kednicma 6y ago
You're being disingenuous; if we call them not just Palestinians, but Philistines or the Peleset, then they are mentioned in multiple histories of the region. While the region passed through Roman, Turkish, and British control, the only time when there was a large influx of foreign folks was during the Islamic expansion, when many Arabs moved into Palestine. Other than that, they've been there since around the Bronze Age Collapse; their history traces through the Iron Age just like Israelite/Jewish history.
apta 6y ago
> There never was a Palestinian people or a Palestinian contry. Quite a ridiculous statement. The entire region that spans today's Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine "Israel" was known as Bilad Al-Sham. There were no individual countries with today's borders under the Rashidun Caliphate, to the Ummayads and all the way to the Ottoman empires, just regions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilad_al-Sham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilad_al-Sham
Udik 6y ago
> There never was a Palestinian people or a Palestinian contry. Your home and the city you live in, probably your entire region, were never a nation. Does that authorise someone else to come and throw you out? Of course not. Let's stop playing with words. Especially when these arguments come from people who are all recent immigrants to a country that never existed in the past 2000 years and who have changed their surnames from Polish or Russian to made up Hebrew ones.

dagav 6y ago

You're right that it was Palestine, they even have Palestinian immigration papers. But that land was always called Israel by the Jews, and on those same papers it says "Eretz Israel" in Hebrew. The Jews and Palestinians could have lived in peace. The land was settled legally, and the Arabs never controlled it. They chose war instead of peace, when they could have chosen to live together as two nations.

apta 6y ago
> the Arabs never controlled it Zionist lies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilad_al-Sham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilad_al-Sham