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Would a better comparison be a cruise ship? You pay thousands to board, and you literally can’t leave at will. While you’re aboard you can only purchase food,

Would a better comparison be a cruise ship? You pay thousands to board, and you literally can’t leave at will. While you’re aboard you can only purchase food, drink and entertainment from the cruise company. I don’t think a cruise ship would ever allow competing companies to provide those services. I’m personally a little mixed on the App Store. I don’t a have fundamental issue with the App Store model, and as an Apple customer I personally see it’s limitations as an advantage. However I do agree that Apple using its App Store to harm competitors in other industries, like Spotify and Netflix, as very harmful. Although I don’t know how fix that without fundamentally changing the App Store, or banning Apple from competing with App Store services like Spotify and Netflix.

scarface74 6y ago
How is Spotify and especially Netflix being harmed? If I search for a movie on either my iPhone, iPad, or AppleTV and the movie is available on Netflix, I’m told that I can watch it for free instead of being guided toward Apple’s movie store. Spotify whined for years that they couldn’t stream music to the Apple Watch or download music to the Watch. Apple allowed third party integration over a year ago. Pandora added the feature - Spotify didn’t. Spotify also doesn’t allow in app purchases so Apple doesn’t get a cut.
- avianlyric 6y ago
  > Spotify also doesn’t allow in app purchases so Apple doesn’t get a cut. This is how Spotify and Netflix are harmed. They have to pick between funding their competitor, or not providing simple signups and subscriptions on one of the worlds largest computing platforms. This directly harms either their revenue stream or cost-of-acquisition. Both to the advantage of one of one of their largest competitors who has artificially introduced this barrier.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    So can we also regulate Spotify for taking a much larger cut from artists? Spotify has a much larger share in streaming music than Apple has in phones. Also. I can’t sign up for a Netflix subscription on my Roku either.
    - avianlyric 6y ago
      Spotify isn’t using their market dominance in another industry to squeeze either artists or competitors. Nothing is stopping another streaming service from offering a bigger cut to artists (indeed Tide purports to do exactly this). If Spotify started pushing artist contracts that prevented artists from getting a better deal else where, then they should be regulated. But they don’t, and there’s plenty of artists that don’t sell on Spotify because they don’t like the deal they offer.
      - scarface74 6y ago
        Spotify isn’t using their market dominance in streaming to give artist a pittance? Nothing is stopping another streaming service from offering a bigger cut to artists (indeed Tide purports to do exactly this). A bigger cut of a tiny pie? In the same vein nothing is stopping app developers from ignoring iOS or users from buying iPhones, using Google, FaceBook, or Amazon.
        avianlyric 6y ago
        > Spotify isn’t using their market dominance in streaming to give artist a pittance? What evidence do you have back this up? There’s every suggestion that Spotify are struggling to defend themselves against artists who demand bigger payments. Additionally there’s every suggestion that Apple Music now have a larger portion of the market than Spotify, and if it hasn’t happened yet, it will soon. All of that is ignoring other competitors like Google Music (or YouTube, wherever they’re calling it today) and Amazon Music. Simply put, your assertion fails on multiple fronts.
        scarface74 6y ago
        There’s every suggestion that Spotify are struggling to defend themselves against artists who demand bigger payments. So you’re okay with Spotify “defending themselves” against artist who want more of a cut? It takes 180,000 plays to make minimum wage. https://help.songtrust.com/knowledge/what-is-the-pay-rate-for-spotify-streams https://help.songtrust.com/knowledge/what-is-the-pay-rate-fo... Spotify also takes a 30% cut. Artist are also complaining about Spotify’s payout. https://www.businessofapps.com/data/spotify-statistics/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/spotify-statistics/ It has drawn criticism from recording artists, who complain that it pays too little. Claims to democratize the music industry Maybe Spotify needs to remember that whole “those in glass houses”. Actually Apple Music pays artists more per stream than Spotify.

scarface74 6y ago

How is Spotify and especially Netflix being harmed? If I search for a movie on either my iPhone, iPad, or AppleTV and the movie is available on Netflix, I’m told that I can watch it for free instead of being guided toward Apple’s movie store. Spotify whined for years that they couldn’t stream music to the Apple Watch or download music to the Watch. Apple allowed third party integration over a year ago. Pandora added the feature - Spotify didn’t. Spotify also doesn’t allow in app purchases so Apple doesn’t get a cut.

avianlyric 6y ago
> Spotify also doesn’t allow in app purchases so Apple doesn’t get a cut. This is how Spotify and Netflix are harmed. They have to pick between funding their competitor, or not providing simple signups and subscriptions on one of the worlds largest computing platforms. This directly harms either their revenue stream or cost-of-acquisition. Both to the advantage of one of one of their largest competitors who has artificially introduced this barrier.
- scarface74 6y ago
  So can we also regulate Spotify for taking a much larger cut from artists? Spotify has a much larger share in streaming music than Apple has in phones. Also. I can’t sign up for a Netflix subscription on my Roku either.
  - avianlyric 6y ago
    Spotify isn’t using their market dominance in another industry to squeeze either artists or competitors. Nothing is stopping another streaming service from offering a bigger cut to artists (indeed Tide purports to do exactly this). If Spotify started pushing artist contracts that prevented artists from getting a better deal else where, then they should be regulated. But they don’t, and there’s plenty of artists that don’t sell on Spotify because they don’t like the deal they offer.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      Spotify isn’t using their market dominance in streaming to give artist a pittance? Nothing is stopping another streaming service from offering a bigger cut to artists (indeed Tide purports to do exactly this). A bigger cut of a tiny pie? In the same vein nothing is stopping app developers from ignoring iOS or users from buying iPhones, using Google, FaceBook, or Amazon.
      - avianlyric 6y ago
        > Spotify isn’t using their market dominance in streaming to give artist a pittance? What evidence do you have back this up? There’s every suggestion that Spotify are struggling to defend themselves against artists who demand bigger payments. Additionally there’s every suggestion that Apple Music now have a larger portion of the market than Spotify, and if it hasn’t happened yet, it will soon. All of that is ignoring other competitors like Google Music (or YouTube, wherever they’re calling it today) and Amazon Music. Simply put, your assertion fails on multiple fronts.
        scarface74 6y ago
        There’s every suggestion that Spotify are struggling to defend themselves against artists who demand bigger payments. So you’re okay with Spotify “defending themselves” against artist who want more of a cut? It takes 180,000 plays to make minimum wage. https://help.songtrust.com/knowledge/what-is-the-pay-rate-for-spotify-streams https://help.songtrust.com/knowledge/what-is-the-pay-rate-fo... Spotify also takes a 30% cut. Artist are also complaining about Spotify’s payout. https://www.businessofapps.com/data/spotify-statistics/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/spotify-statistics/ It has drawn criticism from recording artists, who complain that it pays too little. Claims to democratize the music industry Maybe Spotify needs to remember that whole “those in glass houses”. Actually Apple Music pays artists more per stream than Spotify.