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Genuine question: Why does this matter? I see 0 problems with Apple having a "walled garden." It's their product and their platform so they should be able to de

Genuine question: Why does this matter? I see 0 problems with Apple having a "walled garden." It's their product and their platform so they should be able to decide what gets supported and developed for it. I personally don't like how Apple conducts their business so I just don't use Apple products and that's that.

RivieraKid 6y ago
Because it makes apps more expensive.
- BoysenberryPi 6y ago
  If the apps become more expensive then people will stop buying them from the App Store and seeing people are not willing to pay for more expensive apps developers would probably stop developing for iOS which in the end would cause users to abandon the platform seeing as they cannot get the apps they need. If apps being more expensive is really the only problem then it seems like the problem fixes itself.
  - RivieraKid 6y ago
    It clearly doesn't fix itself, because both Apple and Google are taking a 30% cut. You're assuming efficient markets. The App Store is a monopoly, i.e. the opposite of an efficient market. (Well, it's more nuanced, all markets are somewhere between efficient and monopolistic.)
Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
Well, you should hope that your country doesn't turn into a authoritarian regime. Cause then you'll be unable to use VPN or any kind of encrypted chats - only those that give access to comrade Major from the secret police. If you think I'm overblowing things, try finding Signal in China's AppStore.
- BoysenberryPi 6y ago
  This is a fair point that I was overlooking and was more focused the part of the article that talks about Apple selling their own products and being the "only game in town" regarding selling apps.
matsemann 6y ago
I think the article explained that reasonably well. One example is that they also make their own apps, so you potentially have to pay your competitor 30% of your income which is more than your own margins. And then they surface their own app and hide your's. Cannot compete against that.
- BoysenberryPi 6y ago
  My issue with the article is that despite acknowledging that Android market share overall they are acting as if Apple is the only game in time. Maybe my thought process is just overly simplistic and I'm missing something because every time the app store gets brought up my general feeling is just don't use Apple. If enough developers abandon the platform they will be forced to change.
  - matsemann 6y ago
    A consumer can somewhat choose freely. A developer though has to go where the market is. Not being on the app store is a huge blow to many businesses.
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- CivilianZero 6y ago
  I'm curious how often this has actually occurred in the App Store? I can't think of too many apps that Apple has released that have many competitors. Sure, there are the built in apps (which you can remove) but I certainly haven't seen any lack of To Do or weather apps on the App Store.
  - matsemann 6y ago
    It's an issue for Spotify vs Apple Music for instance. Apple wants a cut of Spotify's fee, and also had APIs for Apple Watch etc only they themselves could use.
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RivieraKid 6y ago

Because it makes apps more expensive.

BoysenberryPi 6y ago
If the apps become more expensive then people will stop buying them from the App Store and seeing people are not willing to pay for more expensive apps developers would probably stop developing for iOS which in the end would cause users to abandon the platform seeing as they cannot get the apps they need. If apps being more expensive is really the only problem then it seems like the problem fixes itself.
- RivieraKid 6y ago
  It clearly doesn't fix itself, because both Apple and Google are taking a 30% cut. You're assuming efficient markets. The App Store is a monopoly, i.e. the opposite of an efficient market. (Well, it's more nuanced, all markets are somewhere between efficient and monopolistic.)

Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago

Well, you should hope that your country doesn't turn into a authoritarian regime. Cause then you'll be unable to use VPN or any kind of encrypted chats - only those that give access to comrade Major from the secret police. If you think I'm overblowing things, try finding Signal in China's AppStore.

BoysenberryPi 6y ago
This is a fair point that I was overlooking and was more focused the part of the article that talks about Apple selling their own products and being the "only game in town" regarding selling apps.

matsemann 6y ago

I think the article explained that reasonably well. One example is that they also make their own apps, so you potentially have to pay your competitor 30% of your income which is more than your own margins. And then they surface their own app and hide your's. Cannot compete against that.

BoysenberryPi 6y ago
My issue with the article is that despite acknowledging that Android market share overall they are acting as if Apple is the only game in time. Maybe my thought process is just overly simplistic and I'm missing something because every time the app store gets brought up my general feeling is just don't use Apple. If enough developers abandon the platform they will be forced to change.
- matsemann 6y ago
  A consumer can somewhat choose freely. A developer though has to go where the market is. Not being on the app store is a huge blow to many businesses.
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CivilianZero 6y ago
I'm curious how often this has actually occurred in the App Store? I can't think of too many apps that Apple has released that have many competitors. Sure, there are the built in apps (which you can remove) but I certainly haven't seen any lack of To Do or weather apps on the App Store.
- matsemann 6y ago
  It's an issue for Spotify vs Apple Music for instance. Apple wants a cut of Spotify's fee, and also had APIs for Apple Watch etc only they themselves could use.
  - 6y ago