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> It would help address the spyware concern by moving it to a US company Does anyone else remember when housing data in US severs was considered less private t
by nsl73 6y ago
> It would help address the spyware concern by moving it to a US company
Does anyone else remember when housing data in US severs was considered less private than alternatives? It’s incredible that Azure, and the rest of the us based cloud providers, have been able to rebrand American severs as the cloud so successfully that they are well known for being secure and safe.
- talloaktrees 6y agoI don't think anyone with knowledge has ever seriously conisdered servers in China more private than US servers. Unless your goal was to keep information private only from the US government.
- setr 6y agoI think its more of the rebranding from US-gov spying to Chinese-gov spying
- thephyber 6y agoAgree. I'm curious if it becoming a US-owned app means it would struggle in China.
- lvturner 6y agoIn China they have a separate app owned by ByteDance called Douyin - in fact iirc TikTok was an aquisition that they then modeled after Douyin
- lambdasquirrel 6y agoI'm not sure it would, unless the app development were to be significantly different. People sometimes underestimate the cultural differences. The example I like to give is the one given by John Hooker, who taught comparative culture at CMU. As it is, U.S. jokes are often not funny to many continental Europeans. Chinese humor is of a whole other bent. Another interesting comparison point are Japanese websites, which are borderline unnavigable (to me) because they avoid any use of larger fonts.
- ogre_codes 6y ago> Does anyone else remember when housing data in US severs was considered less private than alternatives? Right now much of Europe considers storing data in the US to be less private than hosting it locally. The US is certainly not in the same category as Russia or China, but it's not great either.
- sandworm101 6y agoCanada too.
- 3pt14159 6y agoEven so, Canadians trust Americans far more than the Chinese. If they move everything over then it may stop mass bans across the West.
- tonyarkles 6y agoThat’s probably true for the general population, but not so much for our privacy legislation. Certain categories of data, for some provincial governments, absolutely must reside in Canada and can’t be hosted in the US. Among the various reasons is the Patriot Act. Canadian laws specify certain circumstances in which a data breach must be disclosed to the user, and the Patriot Act (via NSLs) can mandate that the breach not be disclosed to the user. Canadian companies hosting their data in the US cannot simultaneously comply with the law in both countries.
- freehunter 6y agoEvery major cloud vendor has zones outside the US. Just because you’re hosted on Azure doesn’t mean you’re hosted in the US or that US law applies to you.
- tboughen 6y agoMy understanding of the 2018 CLOUD act is that a US headquartered cloud vendor must hand over subpoenaed customer data even if the datacentre is outside the USA. https://www.dlapiper.com/en/us/insights/publications/2018/04/us-cloud-act-authorizes-search-warrants-for-data-stored-abroad/ https://www.dlapiper.com/en/us/insights/publications/2018/04...
- Spearchucker 6y agoIndeed. This (CLOUD) of course runs counter to GDPR. Comply with one and fall foul of the other.
- patagurbon 6y agoDo we have any evidence that a company has been forced into a situation like this yet? Where they've been required by the US to turn over data but prevented by the GDPR? I feel like that would've been big news, but surely it's happened already.
- tonyarkles 6y agoThe joy of NSLs is that you’re not allowed to talk about them. I have no idea what it would look like, but I imagine there would be nervous lawyers talking to both the US DoJ and their local privacy commissioner, quietly trying to find some solution that doesn’t involve the executives going to jail when setting foot in the US.
- captn3m0 6y agoTIL. This is crazy
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