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I personally lost $6000 dollars, is there any way I could prove that I was a victim and get my crypto back?

by alexander1100 6y ago

daseiner1 6y ago
I don’t mean to be rude, but I have to ask - what were you thinking?
- dtech 6y ago
  Unassuming it's not a troll, $ signs in the eyes.
- rocqua 6y ago
  In EVE online, many doubling scams would actually pay out the first few times. This to encourage others to commit bigger sums. Hence, if you 'get in early' it might be worth it to try and get your money doubled.
creato 6y ago
You sent $6k in bitcoin to Elon Musk because you thought he'd give you $12k back? Assuming this isn't a joke, consider that $6k a lesson to not be such a gullible mark.
- deleted 6y ago
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SahAssar 6y ago
If you want legal recourse and refunds why would you use a currency that explicitly does not allow for those? Seriously, if you want the protections of the legal system, then use currency controlled by the legal system.
- shuntress 6y ago
  Bitcoin is actually explicitly designed to enable recourse and refunds. Every single transaction is permanently and immutable tied to a verifiable identity. Through common practice, these identities are treated as disposable and therefor generally ignored. But stating that the currency is explicitly designed to disallow accountability is not an accurate representation of reality. -- Edit to add a practical example for clarification because this is being downvoted. If the FBI conducts an effective warranted search + seizure of a mob safehouse, seizes a large safe, opens it up, and finds either: A) Gold bricks or B) Bitcoin wallet private keys In case (A), they can maybe correlate records, reports, statements, and other evidence to possibly determine the rightful owner of the gold or goods laundered for gold. In case (B), they can check the BTC ledger against fraud reports that contain bitcoin wallet public keys, then publish a public statement asking people to prove they own any matching public keys -- because bitcoin, by it's fundamental nature, is more accountable in a way that enables recourse and refunds.
  - SahAssar 6y ago
    Transactions are not reversible by legal authority in bitcoin, only by the receiving party willingly doing the transaction in reverse. What you are talking about is establishing reputability, not about refund-ability or the ability of authorities to reverse illicit transactions. You can see that as a feature of bitcoin or not, but if you want protections from a system you need to act within that system.
    - alexander1100 6y ago
      I am saying I know I made a mistake and if they truly caught those who are responsible, then I don't see why they won't be able to get access to the stolen funds. My eth is in that collection of stolen funds. I'd rather prove it's mine and have the government return it to me vs them auctioning it off.
      - SahAssar 6y ago
        I understand what you are saying, and I'm sorry you are in this situation. But I can also see that because you acted outside of the reach of the legal system then there is less chance of it being able to help you. Sorry if I'm being heartless here but I'd also argue that the funds were not stolen, they were given in a system that provides almost no legal recourse.
advisedwang 6y ago
You can probably find the blockchain transaction of you paying them. So long as you can prove you own the sender, that's you proof right there.
Jasper_ 6y ago
I thought Bitcoin's biggest feature was No Chargebacks
- rocqua 6y ago
  No central party can issue chargebacks. But if the FBI got the funds, they can just send the funds back.
cordite 6y ago
Good luck. This is how bitcoin works. You send value to somewhere else of your will. There is no outside party here.
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  Practically speaking, at this point the government is probably in possession of the private keys and could authorize reverse transactions to restore the stolen crypto. The larger question is a question of policy and law... Does the government even consider entries in a blockchain ledger to be "returnable stolen property?"
  - wmf 6y ago
    Yes, crypto scammers have been forced to give money back before.
neatze 6y ago
this must be a joke.
mrtksn 6y ago
Can you please tell us how did you fall to this scam? I find it fascinating when something seems obvious to me but not to someone else and vice versa.
superhuzza 6y ago
Wow, if true your "contribution" was around 5% of the total amount scammed.
paulpauper 6y ago
assuming not a troll, there is a possibility the money will be seized and returned to victims . i assume if the stolen coin are on coinbase, they have been frozen,
boring_twenties 6y ago
> is there any way I could prove that I was a victim Sure, you just need to find the transaction hash, and prove that you own the sending address. > and get my crypto back? Now that the government has control of the wallets, my guess would be probably, eventually.
null0pointer 6y ago
I think it's unlikely you will get any recourse here. However what you can do is the following. 1) Find one of the input addresses for the transaction(s) you sent to the scammers 2) Use that address to sign a message like "alexander1100 owns this address" (but use your legal name) to prove ownership of the address. 3) Attempt to follow up with the FBI about recovering your lost funds. This is the step that you will have the most trouble with. Good luck.
spoopyskelly 6y ago
I can help you, but you need to send me $6k for verification and I'll send it back + the other 6k you lost.

I personally lost $6000 dollars, is there any way I could prove that I was a victim and get my crypto back?

daseiner1 6y ago

I don’t mean to be rude, but I have to ask - what were you thinking?

dtech 6y ago
Unassuming it's not a troll, $ signs in the eyes.
rocqua 6y ago
In EVE online, many doubling scams would actually pay out the first few times. This to encourage others to commit bigger sums. Hence, if you 'get in early' it might be worth it to try and get your money doubled.

creato 6y ago

You sent $6k in bitcoin to Elon Musk because you thought he'd give you $12k back? Assuming this isn't a joke, consider that $6k a lesson to not be such a gullible mark.

deleted 6y ago
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SahAssar 6y ago

If you want legal recourse and refunds why would you use a currency that explicitly does not allow for those? Seriously, if you want the protections of the legal system, then use currency controlled by the legal system.

shuntress 6y ago
Bitcoin is actually explicitly designed to enable recourse and refunds. Every single transaction is permanently and immutable tied to a verifiable identity. Through common practice, these identities are treated as disposable and therefor generally ignored. But stating that the currency is explicitly designed to disallow accountability is not an accurate representation of reality. -- Edit to add a practical example for clarification because this is being downvoted. If the FBI conducts an effective warranted search + seizure of a mob safehouse, seizes a large safe, opens it up, and finds either: A) Gold bricks or B) Bitcoin wallet private keys In case (A), they can maybe correlate records, reports, statements, and other evidence to possibly determine the rightful owner of the gold or goods laundered for gold. In case (B), they can check the BTC ledger against fraud reports that contain bitcoin wallet public keys, then publish a public statement asking people to prove they own any matching public keys -- because bitcoin, by it's fundamental nature, is more accountable in a way that enables recourse and refunds.
- SahAssar 6y ago
  Transactions are not reversible by legal authority in bitcoin, only by the receiving party willingly doing the transaction in reverse. What you are talking about is establishing reputability, not about refund-ability or the ability of authorities to reverse illicit transactions. You can see that as a feature of bitcoin or not, but if you want protections from a system you need to act within that system.
  - alexander1100 6y ago
    I am saying I know I made a mistake and if they truly caught those who are responsible, then I don't see why they won't be able to get access to the stolen funds. My eth is in that collection of stolen funds. I'd rather prove it's mine and have the government return it to me vs them auctioning it off.
    - SahAssar 6y ago
      I understand what you are saying, and I'm sorry you are in this situation. But I can also see that because you acted outside of the reach of the legal system then there is less chance of it being able to help you. Sorry if I'm being heartless here but I'd also argue that the funds were not stolen, they were given in a system that provides almost no legal recourse.

advisedwang 6y ago

You can probably find the blockchain transaction of you paying them. So long as you can prove you own the sender, that's you proof right there.

Jasper_ 6y ago

I thought Bitcoin's biggest feature was No Chargebacks

rocqua 6y ago
No central party can issue chargebacks. But if the FBI got the funds, they can just send the funds back.

cordite 6y ago

Good luck. This is how bitcoin works. You send value to somewhere else of your will. There is no outside party here.

shadowgovt 6y ago
Practically speaking, at this point the government is probably in possession of the private keys and could authorize reverse transactions to restore the stolen crypto. The larger question is a question of policy and law... Does the government even consider entries in a blockchain ledger to be "returnable stolen property?"
- wmf 6y ago
  Yes, crypto scammers have been forced to give money back before.

neatze 6y ago

this must be a joke.

mrtksn 6y ago

Can you please tell us how did you fall to this scam? I find it fascinating when something seems obvious to me but not to someone else and vice versa.

superhuzza 6y ago

Wow, if true your "contribution" was around 5% of the total amount scammed.

paulpauper 6y ago

assuming not a troll, there is a possibility the money will be seized and returned to victims . i assume if the stolen coin are on coinbase, they have been frozen,

boring_twenties 6y ago

> is there any way I could prove that I was a victim Sure, you just need to find the transaction hash, and prove that you own the sending address. > and get my crypto back? Now that the government has control of the wallets, my guess would be probably, eventually.

null0pointer 6y ago

I think it's unlikely you will get any recourse here. However what you can do is the following. 1) Find one of the input addresses for the transaction(s) you sent to the scammers 2) Use that address to sign a message like "alexander1100 owns this address" (but use your legal name) to prove ownership of the address. 3) Attempt to follow up with the FBI about recovering your lost funds. This is the step that you will have the most trouble with. Good luck.

spoopyskelly 6y ago

I can help you, but you need to send me $6k for verification and I'll send it back + the other 6k you lost.