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Does China really identify as "a country that views the US as its enemy (politically, economically, philosophically)" or is that just a projection of how the US

Does China really identify as "a country that views the US as its enemy (politically, economically, philosophically)" or is that just a projection of how the US feels about China?

tempodox 6y ago
Absolutely. China does not recognize even the idea of Human Rights, let alone their implementation. What do you think the Great Chinese Firewall is for? Shutting out all those ideas from the rest of the world that are deemed hostile to the ruling party's ideology.
- altaria 6y ago
  America is a fundamentally revolutionary nation fighting for global democracy. We have learned not to force it on countries anymore with violence, but the struggle for global democracy remains nonetheless. We are an existential threat to China.
  - mullingitover 6y ago
    > America is a fundamentally revolutionary nation fighting for global democracy. I've studied the history of the US enough to know that this is brazen propaganda with no firm basis in reality. The US has no problem propping up brutal tyrants when it's convenient.
    - altaria 6y ago
      There are far more Democracies supported by the US in numerous ways in the post WWII period than totalitarians supported. This is fact.
      - mullingitover 6y ago
        Correct, the US doesn't only support totalitarians. However, it does support them. The US support for democracy isn't based on principles is my point, it's based on convenience, and the US will merrily crush a democracy and install a dictator if it's in US interests.
        altaria 6y ago
        Ah, this is your mistake. The US support for democracy is absolutely based on principles. It is the exceptions that you're focusing on and trying to use to create some essentialist caricature of the US. Keep in mind that most examples of the US supporting non democratic regimes come from the Cold War, when the thinking was that Communism posed an existential threat to global freedom and democracy and that in the interest of democracy's general preservation and overall victory over tyrannical communism, it was necessary to prop up dictators who would act harshly against the Communist threat. Was this the right move in hindsight? Maybe not. But it was absolutely borne from a desire to preserve global freedom from tyrannical communism.
        vore 6y ago
        I believe there's a saying: the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
        mullingitover 6y ago
        > Ah, this is your mistake. The US support for democracy is absolutely based on principles. It is the exceptions that you're focusing on and trying to use to create some essentialist caricature of the US. I honestly don't have to try to make the US into some caricature. The US isn't good or evil, it's a self-interested nation like any other nation and it practices realpolitik like any other nation. I'm simply not putting it on a pedestal and pretending that the actions of the country are anything other than pure self-interest.

Does China really identify as "a country that views the US as its enemy (politically, economically, philosophically)" or is that just a projection of how the US feels about China?

tempodox 6y ago

Absolutely. China does not recognize even the idea of Human Rights, let alone their implementation. What do you think the Great Chinese Firewall is for? Shutting out all those ideas from the rest of the world that are deemed hostile to the ruling party's ideology.

altaria 6y ago
America is a fundamentally revolutionary nation fighting for global democracy. We have learned not to force it on countries anymore with violence, but the struggle for global democracy remains nonetheless. We are an existential threat to China.
- mullingitover 6y ago
  > America is a fundamentally revolutionary nation fighting for global democracy. I've studied the history of the US enough to know that this is brazen propaganda with no firm basis in reality. The US has no problem propping up brutal tyrants when it's convenient.
  - altaria 6y ago
    There are far more Democracies supported by the US in numerous ways in the post WWII period than totalitarians supported. This is fact.
    - mullingitover 6y ago
      Correct, the US doesn't only support totalitarians. However, it does support them. The US support for democracy isn't based on principles is my point, it's based on convenience, and the US will merrily crush a democracy and install a dictator if it's in US interests.
      - altaria 6y ago
        Ah, this is your mistake. The US support for democracy is absolutely based on principles. It is the exceptions that you're focusing on and trying to use to create some essentialist caricature of the US. Keep in mind that most examples of the US supporting non democratic regimes come from the Cold War, when the thinking was that Communism posed an existential threat to global freedom and democracy and that in the interest of democracy's general preservation and overall victory over tyrannical communism, it was necessary to prop up dictators who would act harshly against the Communist threat. Was this the right move in hindsight? Maybe not. But it was absolutely borne from a desire to preserve global freedom from tyrannical communism.
        vore 6y ago
        I believe there's a saying: the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
        mullingitover 6y ago
        > Ah, this is your mistake. The US support for democracy is absolutely based on principles. It is the exceptions that you're focusing on and trying to use to create some essentialist caricature of the US. I honestly don't have to try to make the US into some caricature. The US isn't good or evil, it's a self-interested nation like any other nation and it practices realpolitik like any other nation. I'm simply not putting it on a pedestal and pretending that the actions of the country are anything other than pure self-interest.