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There are some things that does make everyone more successful. More education is overall better for society, even if it's no longer a guarantee of "success."

by enkid 6y ago

There are some things that does make everyone more successful. More education is overall better for society, even if it's no longer a guarantee of "success." Some things don't really get diluted but can enrich the lives of anyone they are involved in (if we disassociate the word "success" from a comparative cycle). For example, healthcare, books, digital entertainment, internet connectivity. The comparative advantage goes down, but the impact to the individual does not.

throwawaygh 6y ago
That's why you mostly see this push-back in places with horrendously broken higher ed systems.
mrits 6y ago
I think we are witnessing first hand why more education is not always overall better. There isn't much point in having everyone learn British Literature on a 30 year payment plan.
- chosenbreed37 6y ago
  Perhaps we need erudition or an education that is not as formalised and compartmentalized as it seems to be. I happen there is something to be gained from literature for example. But a degree is not necessary for that purpose. The degree ends up being used for signalling or to provide some structure to 3 to 4 years between high school and full-time employment.
- shredprez 6y ago
  It's important to distinguish between education and the business of education. I don't think I believe more education can ever be a bad thing. But the business of education in the US is an absolute nightmare that corrupts the spirit of learning it ought to protect, and I agree more of that business will not make things better for students.
  - vezycash 6y ago
    > It's important to distinguish between education and the business of education. distinguish between education and schooling
    - ThinkingGuy 6y ago
      I like to characterize it as "selling education vs. selling diplomas"
rbanffy 6y ago
> More education is overall better for society And absolutely vital for a healthy democracy.
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AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
> More education is overall better for society, even if it's no longer a guarantee of "success." Perhaps, but you shouldn't make the mistake of equating schooling and education.

by enkid 6y ago

throwawaygh 6y ago

That's why you mostly see this push-back in places with horrendously broken higher ed systems.

mrits 6y ago

I think we are witnessing first hand why more education is not always overall better. There isn't much point in having everyone learn British Literature on a 30 year payment plan.

chosenbreed37 6y ago
Perhaps we need erudition or an education that is not as formalised and compartmentalized as it seems to be. I happen there is something to be gained from literature for example. But a degree is not necessary for that purpose. The degree ends up being used for signalling or to provide some structure to 3 to 4 years between high school and full-time employment.
shredprez 6y ago
It's important to distinguish between education and the business of education. I don't think I believe more education can ever be a bad thing. But the business of education in the US is an absolute nightmare that corrupts the spirit of learning it ought to protect, and I agree more of that business will not make things better for students.
- vezycash 6y ago
  > It's important to distinguish between education and the business of education. distinguish between education and schooling
  - ThinkingGuy 6y ago
    I like to characterize it as "selling education vs. selling diplomas"

rbanffy 6y ago

> More education is overall better for society And absolutely vital for a healthy democracy.

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AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago

> More education is overall better for society, even if it's no longer a guarantee of "success." Perhaps, but you shouldn't make the mistake of equating schooling and education.