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Patreon would have been fine if they hadn't cancelled a comedian for having political views that they don't like. Pretty much every comedian has said things tha

Patreon would have been fine if they hadn't cancelled a comedian for having political views that they don't like. Pretty much every comedian has said things that others find offensive. The Patreon arbitration is the beginning of the revolt against cancel culture and the censorship of conservative voices on various platforms.

ceejayoz 6y ago
Patreon would've also been fine if they'd just avoided forced arbitration. A class action suit would've flopped early on (as Patreon has every legal right to ban a Holocaust denier from their private platform) and been substantially cheaper as a result. DoorDash's arbitration clause enabled the same attack, with no free speech concerns at play.
panarky 6y ago
When you say "political views they don't like", it sounds like he wanted more or less taxes, more or less regulation, more or less public transit. Let's be clear, he's a holocaust denier, and that's not just an unpopular "political view". He has every right to say it to whoever will listen, but private companies should not be forced to amplify that shit.
- lliamander 6y ago
  > he's a holocaust denier From what little I've seen, Owen Benjamin rejects that description of himself, so I'd be interested to hear why you think he is. Worth noting that outlets that reported him as a "holocaust denier" also claimed that he would definitely lose this lawsuit, which was clearly false. Not only did Patreon lose, but the judge went so far as to point out that the cases they cited undermined their own case. > He has every right to say it to whoever will listen, but private companies should not be forced to amplify that shit. Private companies have an obligation to honor their Terms of Service, which Owen did not violate, and why he and his fans filed for arbitration in the first place.
  - unity1001 6y ago
    Media outlets claiming the guy would lose his lawsuit and then being proven wrong does not make their claims about him being a holocaust denier or not a thinly veiled hate speech proponent. Propagating hate and inciting hostility in between any group of people is not freedom of speech. Contrary to entire rest of the sane world, US law may be yet allowing such dangerous sociopathy to happen, but that does not make it something legitimate. The last time it was let be Nazis took over Germany. The rest is history. Today we have nuclear weapons. If this repeats one more time, regardless of who is the target of the sociopathy, there wont be a third time for human civilization.

ceejayoz 6y ago

Patreon would've also been fine if they'd just avoided forced arbitration. A class action suit would've flopped early on (as Patreon has every legal right to ban a Holocaust denier from their private platform) and been substantially cheaper as a result. DoorDash's arbitration clause enabled the same attack, with no free speech concerns at play.

panarky 6y ago

When you say "political views they don't like", it sounds like he wanted more or less taxes, more or less regulation, more or less public transit. Let's be clear, he's a holocaust denier, and that's not just an unpopular "political view". He has every right to say it to whoever will listen, but private companies should not be forced to amplify that shit.

lliamander 6y ago
> he's a holocaust denier From what little I've seen, Owen Benjamin rejects that description of himself, so I'd be interested to hear why you think he is. Worth noting that outlets that reported him as a "holocaust denier" also claimed that he would definitely lose this lawsuit, which was clearly false. Not only did Patreon lose, but the judge went so far as to point out that the cases they cited undermined their own case. > He has every right to say it to whoever will listen, but private companies should not be forced to amplify that shit. Private companies have an obligation to honor their Terms of Service, which Owen did not violate, and why he and his fans filed for arbitration in the first place.
- unity1001 6y ago
  Media outlets claiming the guy would lose his lawsuit and then being proven wrong does not make their claims about him being a holocaust denier or not a thinly veiled hate speech proponent. Propagating hate and inciting hostility in between any group of people is not freedom of speech. Contrary to entire rest of the sane world, US law may be yet allowing such dangerous sociopathy to happen, but that does not make it something legitimate. The last time it was let be Nazis took over Germany. The rest is history. Today we have nuclear weapons. If this repeats one more time, regardless of who is the target of the sociopathy, there wont be a third time for human civilization.