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I mean, both positions have merit. I don't see targeted advertising as this evil notion that it seems a lot of people do. For small businesses, being able to ge

by dbbk 6y ago

I mean, both positions have merit. I don't see targeted advertising as this evil notion that it seems a lot of people do. For small businesses, being able to get your message to the right people for as cheap as possible can be make-or-break.

sroussey 6y ago
So the ends justify the means, whatever that may be?
- CathedralBorrow 6y ago
  > So the ends justify the means, whatever that may be? Do you honestly believe that is a fair summary of their words?
  - toiletfuneral 6y ago
    well op said they don't think tracking is evil because it helps businesses...so that's pretty much how I interpreted it as well what are we missing?
  - yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
    Yes; the claim was that targeted ads are important because they let small businesses survive. That seems exactly like arguing that the ends (help small businesses) justifies the means (targeted ads, with the prerequisite tracking).
    - CathedralBorrow 6y ago
      You left out the "whatever it may be" part.
      - sroussey 6y ago
        What ever fingerprinting, dark pattern, technical trick, lie, etc
  - ryder9 6y ago
    Do you honestly believe it isn't? Read between the lines, they aren't dumb enough to come forward and say it blatantly.
dfxm12 6y ago
I know, this is tangentially related to the article and discussion at hand, because small business have little control over this, but I think we're at this point now because along with targeted ads come privacy issues. The ad targeting industry has earned the distrust of people via countless hacks of databases housing personal data that didn't need to be there. Facebook, specifically, is no saint in this regard with its shadow profiles and so on. If companies could properly secure your data and only collect what is needed, Apple wouldn't feel the need to take matters into their own hand.
hughw 6y ago
You will have the option to enable tracking. We won't all have to see it the same way now. Those of us who don't see it your way will no longer be tracked involuntarily.

by dbbk 6y ago

sroussey 6y ago

So the ends justify the means, whatever that may be?

CathedralBorrow 6y ago
> So the ends justify the means, whatever that may be? Do you honestly believe that is a fair summary of their words?
- toiletfuneral 6y ago
  well op said they don't think tracking is evil because it helps businesses...so that's pretty much how I interpreted it as well what are we missing?
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
  Yes; the claim was that targeted ads are important because they let small businesses survive. That seems exactly like arguing that the ends (help small businesses) justifies the means (targeted ads, with the prerequisite tracking).
  - CathedralBorrow 6y ago
    You left out the "whatever it may be" part.
    - sroussey 6y ago
      What ever fingerprinting, dark pattern, technical trick, lie, etc
- ryder9 6y ago
  Do you honestly believe it isn't? Read between the lines, they aren't dumb enough to come forward and say it blatantly.

dfxm12 6y ago

I know, this is tangentially related to the article and discussion at hand, because small business have little control over this, but I think we're at this point now because along with targeted ads come privacy issues. The ad targeting industry has earned the distrust of people via countless hacks of databases housing personal data that didn't need to be there. Facebook, specifically, is no saint in this regard with its shadow profiles and so on. If companies could properly secure your data and only collect what is needed, Apple wouldn't feel the need to take matters into their own hand.

hughw 6y ago

You will have the option to enable tracking. We won't all have to see it the same way now. Those of us who don't see it your way will no longer be tracked involuntarily.