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Because we make $2-3x+ our EU peers salaries in most cases. Why hire Americans if their govt is in chaos every few years to the point that they can't even show

by mjayhn 6y ago

Because we make $2-3x+ our EU peers salaries in most cases. Why hire Americans if their govt is in chaos every few years to the point that they can't even show up to a conference to work with their EU/etc peers and you now have a global remote market (assuming you don't need those US timezones).

wil421 6y ago
American companies aren’t going to shift to Europe all of the sudden. The taxes are higher and it’s harder to fire people, American execs don’t like that. What conferences are going on? Most have been cancelled. Is the EU allowing large gatherings like that? The tech sector is strongest in America, they aren’t going to offshore their workforce because of one unfavorable president and a bunch of media hype. Not being productive at home is your issue. I don’t have to drive over an hour a day to work for 4 hours anymore.
- mjayhn 6y ago
  > Not being productive at home is your issue I'm not productive at home right now because I'm taking care of sick relatives and have young children to keep safe while my government throws everything into chaos and we don't even know exacts on what will happen with schools, etc, and I'm not the only peer of mine having problems. This isn't me lamenting WFH. It's me lamenting WFH during this pandemic specifically from within the USA. If you're doing great, that's awesome. A lot of us aren't lately.
- TheCoelacanth 6y ago
  America's strong tech sector is built off of the strength of the overall economy. With our entire economy disintegrating, the tech sector isn't going to be spared.
  - tharne 6y ago
    The entire economy is not disintegrating. There's a temporary pause in spending as a result of external forces. This is much different from the economy actually disintegrating, like we saw in 2008. Then, the actual financial mechanisms that the economy needs to function were blowing up. There were factories that had paying customers trying to place orders, but they couldn't fill the orders because short-term credit was frozen. We're in a bad situation right now, but the economy itself is functioning, it's just running a lot cooler than usual.
tharne 6y ago
Just because EU workers make half as much as Americans doesn't make them cheaper. They get paid less (in part) because they work a lot less. Shorter hours, a lot more days off longer lunch breaks. On a per-hour basis your US-EU differential is dramatically lower.

by mjayhn 6y ago

wil421 6y ago

American companies aren’t going to shift to Europe all of the sudden. The taxes are higher and it’s harder to fire people, American execs don’t like that. What conferences are going on? Most have been cancelled. Is the EU allowing large gatherings like that? The tech sector is strongest in America, they aren’t going to offshore their workforce because of one unfavorable president and a bunch of media hype. Not being productive at home is your issue. I don’t have to drive over an hour a day to work for 4 hours anymore.

mjayhn 6y ago
> Not being productive at home is your issue I'm not productive at home right now because I'm taking care of sick relatives and have young children to keep safe while my government throws everything into chaos and we don't even know exacts on what will happen with schools, etc, and I'm not the only peer of mine having problems. This isn't me lamenting WFH. It's me lamenting WFH during this pandemic specifically from within the USA. If you're doing great, that's awesome. A lot of us aren't lately.
TheCoelacanth 6y ago
America's strong tech sector is built off of the strength of the overall economy. With our entire economy disintegrating, the tech sector isn't going to be spared.
- tharne 6y ago
  The entire economy is not disintegrating. There's a temporary pause in spending as a result of external forces. This is much different from the economy actually disintegrating, like we saw in 2008. Then, the actual financial mechanisms that the economy needs to function were blowing up. There were factories that had paying customers trying to place orders, but they couldn't fill the orders because short-term credit was frozen. We're in a bad situation right now, but the economy itself is functioning, it's just running a lot cooler than usual.

tharne 6y ago

Just because EU workers make half as much as Americans doesn't make them cheaper. They get paid less (in part) because they work a lot less. Shorter hours, a lot more days off longer lunch breaks. On a per-hour basis your US-EU differential is dramatically lower.