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HackerNews exceeds Slashdot in unique visitors

27 points by newobj 16y ago

joeguilmette 16y ago
I think this says more about Slashdot than HN...
veyron 16y ago
why does 'spam "by moultano"' show up as a top search term?
- MaysonL 16y ago
  I don't know, but moultano's HN profile says this: "I work at Google trying to make your search results not suck."
  - nostrademons 16y ago
    He was also pretty active in the discussions about the personal blacklist and ranking change to block out contentfarm sites.
andrerobot 16y ago
Call me skeptical, but I've never trusted Compete's numbers. Their service gives stats without citing sources, so I don't know what kind of magic or data interpolation they use.
- redthrowaway 16y ago
  Without Google Analytics to do a 1-1 comparison, any metric will be suspect. Alexa will suffer from its standard bias of only counting people with the Alexa toolbar installed, which won't be many for either site. Compete's metrics are compiled from a variety of sources [1], including a toolbar, none of which seem particularly definitive. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compete.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compete.com
pg 16y ago
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2400939 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2400939
sp332 16y ago
Not positive, but I think newobj is making fun of how inaccurate compete.com numbers are, in light of comments on this post http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2399570 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2399570 and especially TC's take on compete.com's numbers, http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/09/compete-on-compete/ http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/09/compete-on-compete/
masterzora 16y ago
I don't see anything restricting this to HN, either. Am I missing something? While I imagine that HN is the majority of traffic to YC these days, it'd be silly to pretend the rest of the site wouldn't have visitors HN doesn't.
diamondhead 16y ago
I think it's the eventual consequence of the mutation of the dev community. I guess and hope that we won't need to create a new website for better community sharing the content we're interested in. I wish we had a mixage of Torrent and Github to share any kind of content; article, links, video, picture, even spam texts...
gersh 16y ago
Slashdot isn't what it once was. http://www.google.com/trends?q=slashdot.org http://www.google.com/trends?q=slashdot.org
- pitdesi 16y ago
  Yes, but still much bigger than HN http://trends.google.com/websites?q=slashdot.org%2Cnews.ycombinator.com&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 http://trends.google.com/websites?q=slashdot.org%2Cnews.ycom...
- ascendant 16y ago
  I see stories go by on Slashdot that were linked on HN days earlier. I used to read Slashdot to get up-to-the-minute tech news. They need to move faster and get rid of all of the cruft on their page. As much as I hate seeing people say cliche'd things like "this is 2011, get with the times", this is 2011, their site design harkens back to their launch and it's just not what I would consider the forefront of usability.
Estragon 16y ago
So, where are the cool kids hanging out these days? I like True Reddit, but it's a bit slow...
cabalamat 16y ago
Alexa seems to agree that HN has caught up with Slashdot and is about to overtake it: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/slashdot.org+ycombinator.com http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/slashdot.org+ycombinator.com
- object404 16y ago
  only non-techieidiots have the Alexa spyware toolbar installed. That only shows that more non-technically proficient visitors check out ycombinator and is not indicative of the total number of users.
bstar 16y ago
So what caused the massive Slashdot dropoff? I generally gravitate to where the most intellectual conversations are (and hacker news is that place), but Slashdot has been consistently decent for ages. I will say, Slashdot seems to be mostly made up of a cranky, close-minded older crowd that fails to comprehend current trends. Maybe it's the user base that's the problem?
- wslh 16y ago
  I left slashdot because they never published a link contributed by anyone near me and they never changed important news mistakes after I corrected them.
- datasink 16y ago
  I have noticed a significant decline in the quality of discussions on many slashdot stories over the past few years. Interesting stories are littered with really bad +5 nerd humor, and seemingly very little else in some cases. I still check it every so often, but mostly just out of habit.
- tomwalsham 16y ago
  Regardless of the veracity or not of Compete stats, I personally completely removed /. from my daily visited sites about 2 months ago, after 10+ years of it being my #1 morning destination. I have nothing tangible to pin this on - they haven't done the digg-style algorithm implosion; their recent redesign wasn't a gawker-esque breakage which made it unnavigable. It's more subjective, but here are some of the points I can find which I think contribute to my decision, in no particular order: The 1-2 day lag has increasingly become an impediment to the value of the discussion. There have been comments on /. for a few years such as 'I read this 2 days ago on X'. 4-5 years back there were few viable alternatives for quality discussion where those experienced in the field participated, so this could be tolerated. HN, Twitter and to a lesser extent reddit and specialist forums have meant the discussion has often already happened, and for /. it's more recap on topics hand-selected by the 'editors'... ...against whom the vitriol has been rising. While 10 years back the sources were varied, /. has increasingly become 2-day old metadiscussion on whatever was getting pageviews on the 'tech' linkbait sites - TC, Gizmodo, etc. This has trended, AOL-way style away from real tech and more towards shiny/flamey/'socialmedia-y' puff-pieces. This is a fundamental problem with not trusting your community to select the stories, but relying on hand-chosen entries. Not just the lag, but it's too open to skewing/editorial bias/corporate control. Idle was an early indicator that the corporate overlords were after this, and even ghettoising it there didn't stop the creep of topic away from the more hardcore tech which had initially attracted... ...the greybeards. The dotcom boom created a lot of techs. Many had no experience, and were looking to the older hackers for advice. Now that 'boomer' generation is 10+ years in, and have been developing successful enterprise and their own communities, they have considerably more to offer. These communities have also learned from some of the flaws of /. - as mentioned the hand-selection, but also... ...+1 funny. This is critical. While sometimes HN can appear a little dry, the actively enforced rule against one-liner witticism forces those of us who are given to facetiousness (myself included) a reason to pause and hopefully construct something more thoughtful. This was always an issue with /. - you never got Karma for funny, which led to the crazy 'insightful' mods to reward humour. This gaming of the comment system IMO devalued it. So that's a few things off the top of my head. The primary reason for me leaving wasn't these per se, but more that I found increasingly that I would visit and not see interesting headlines, or would read a thread and find nothing but snarky jibes, meta-discussion about /. and the editors, etc. I felt this degradation of quality exponentially rose in the second half of 2010, and so around Feb this year I completely stopped going. I am sure I'm not the only one and this sort of decline is self-perpetuating. I'm not happy about it - I credit /. with a huge amount of my versatility these days as a tech, and broadening my horizons on a great many issues. I see HN in some proto-stages of this decline at the moment, and I'm hoping the control structure here will allow the community be self-aware enough and proactive enough to take this experience and make some tweaks to avoid the negative trends that growth in readership/participation bring to all online communities (Usenet, /., Reddit have all seen this happen). Old stories. Less insightful than HN. Lame.
scottshapiro 16y ago
Quantcast shows ./ has an order of magnitude more traffic http://www.quantcast.com/ycombinator.com http://www.quantcast.com/ycombinator.com - 21.3k monthly people http://www.quantcast.com/slashdot.org http://www.quantcast.com/slashdot.org - 261k monthly people

27 points by newobj 16y ago

joeguilmette 16y ago

I think this says more about Slashdot than HN...

veyron 16y ago

why does 'spam "by moultano"' show up as a top search term?

MaysonL 16y ago
I don't know, but moultano's HN profile says this: "I work at Google trying to make your search results not suck."
- nostrademons 16y ago
  He was also pretty active in the discussions about the personal blacklist and ranking change to block out contentfarm sites.

andrerobot 16y ago

Call me skeptical, but I've never trusted Compete's numbers. Their service gives stats without citing sources, so I don't know what kind of magic or data interpolation they use.

redthrowaway 16y ago
Without Google Analytics to do a 1-1 comparison, any metric will be suspect. Alexa will suffer from its standard bias of only counting people with the Alexa toolbar installed, which won't be many for either site. Compete's metrics are compiled from a variety of sources [1], including a toolbar, none of which seem particularly definitive. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compete.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compete.com

pg 16y ago

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2400939 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2400939

sp332 16y ago

Not positive, but I think newobj is making fun of how inaccurate compete.com numbers are, in light of comments on this post http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2399570 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2399570 and especially TC's take on compete.com's numbers, http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/09/compete-on-compete/ http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/09/compete-on-compete/

masterzora 16y ago

I don't see anything restricting this to HN, either. Am I missing something? While I imagine that HN is the majority of traffic to YC these days, it'd be silly to pretend the rest of the site wouldn't have visitors HN doesn't.

diamondhead 16y ago

I think it's the eventual consequence of the mutation of the dev community. I guess and hope that we won't need to create a new website for better community sharing the content we're interested in. I wish we had a mixage of Torrent and Github to share any kind of content; article, links, video, picture, even spam texts...

gersh 16y ago

Slashdot isn't what it once was. http://www.google.com/trends?q=slashdot.org http://www.google.com/trends?q=slashdot.org

pitdesi 16y ago
Yes, but still much bigger than HN http://trends.google.com/websites?q=slashdot.org%2Cnews.ycombinator.com&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 http://trends.google.com/websites?q=slashdot.org%2Cnews.ycom...
ascendant 16y ago
I see stories go by on Slashdot that were linked on HN days earlier. I used to read Slashdot to get up-to-the-minute tech news. They need to move faster and get rid of all of the cruft on their page. As much as I hate seeing people say cliche'd things like "this is 2011, get with the times", this is 2011, their site design harkens back to their launch and it's just not what I would consider the forefront of usability.

Estragon 16y ago

So, where are the cool kids hanging out these days? I like True Reddit, but it's a bit slow...

cabalamat 16y ago

Alexa seems to agree that HN has caught up with Slashdot and is about to overtake it: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/slashdot.org+ycombinator.com http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/slashdot.org+ycombinator.com

object404 16y ago
only non-techieidiots have the Alexa spyware toolbar installed. That only shows that more non-technically proficient visitors check out ycombinator and is not indicative of the total number of users.

bstar 16y ago

So what caused the massive Slashdot dropoff? I generally gravitate to where the most intellectual conversations are (and hacker news is that place), but Slashdot has been consistently decent for ages. I will say, Slashdot seems to be mostly made up of a cranky, close-minded older crowd that fails to comprehend current trends. Maybe it's the user base that's the problem?

wslh 16y ago
I left slashdot because they never published a link contributed by anyone near me and they never changed important news mistakes after I corrected them.
datasink 16y ago
I have noticed a significant decline in the quality of discussions on many slashdot stories over the past few years. Interesting stories are littered with really bad +5 nerd humor, and seemingly very little else in some cases. I still check it every so often, but mostly just out of habit.
tomwalsham 16y ago
Regardless of the veracity or not of Compete stats, I personally completely removed /. from my daily visited sites about 2 months ago, after 10+ years of it being my #1 morning destination. I have nothing tangible to pin this on - they haven't done the digg-style algorithm implosion; their recent redesign wasn't a gawker-esque breakage which made it unnavigable. It's more subjective, but here are some of the points I can find which I think contribute to my decision, in no particular order: The 1-2 day lag has increasingly become an impediment to the value of the discussion. There have been comments on /. for a few years such as 'I read this 2 days ago on X'. 4-5 years back there were few viable alternatives for quality discussion where those experienced in the field participated, so this could be tolerated. HN, Twitter and to a lesser extent reddit and specialist forums have meant the discussion has often already happened, and for /. it's more recap on topics hand-selected by the 'editors'... ...against whom the vitriol has been rising. While 10 years back the sources were varied, /. has increasingly become 2-day old metadiscussion on whatever was getting pageviews on the 'tech' linkbait sites - TC, Gizmodo, etc. This has trended, AOL-way style away from real tech and more towards shiny/flamey/'socialmedia-y' puff-pieces. This is a fundamental problem with not trusting your community to select the stories, but relying on hand-chosen entries. Not just the lag, but it's too open to skewing/editorial bias/corporate control. Idle was an early indicator that the corporate overlords were after this, and even ghettoising it there didn't stop the creep of topic away from the more hardcore tech which had initially attracted... ...the greybeards. The dotcom boom created a lot of techs. Many had no experience, and were looking to the older hackers for advice. Now that 'boomer' generation is 10+ years in, and have been developing successful enterprise and their own communities, they have considerably more to offer. These communities have also learned from some of the flaws of /. - as mentioned the hand-selection, but also... ...+1 funny. This is critical. While sometimes HN can appear a little dry, the actively enforced rule against one-liner witticism forces those of us who are given to facetiousness (myself included) a reason to pause and hopefully construct something more thoughtful. This was always an issue with /. - you never got Karma for funny, which led to the crazy 'insightful' mods to reward humour. This gaming of the comment system IMO devalued it. So that's a few things off the top of my head. The primary reason for me leaving wasn't these per se, but more that I found increasingly that I would visit and not see interesting headlines, or would read a thread and find nothing but snarky jibes, meta-discussion about /. and the editors, etc. I felt this degradation of quality exponentially rose in the second half of 2010, and so around Feb this year I completely stopped going. I am sure I'm not the only one and this sort of decline is self-perpetuating. I'm not happy about it - I credit /. with a huge amount of my versatility these days as a tech, and broadening my horizons on a great many issues. I see HN in some proto-stages of this decline at the moment, and I'm hoping the control structure here will allow the community be self-aware enough and proactive enough to take this experience and make some tweaks to avoid the negative trends that growth in readership/participation bring to all online communities (Usenet, /., Reddit have all seen this happen). Old stories. Less insightful than HN. Lame.

scottshapiro 16y ago

Quantcast shows ./ has an order of magnitude more traffic http://www.quantcast.com/ycombinator.com http://www.quantcast.com/ycombinator.com - 21.3k monthly people http://www.quantcast.com/slashdot.org http://www.quantcast.com/slashdot.org - 261k monthly people