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I'm confused about who the news belongs to. I always have it in my head that if your name's in the news, then the news should be paying you. Because it's your n

by marban 6y ago

I'm confused about who the news belongs to. I always have it in my head that if your name's in the news, then the news should be paying you. Because it's your news and they're taking it and selling it as their product. But then they always say that they're helping you, and that's true too, but still, if people didn't give the news their news, and if everybody kept their news to themselves, the news wouldn't have any news. So I guess you should pay each other. But I haven't figured it out fully yet. -- Andy Warhol

alexmingoia 6y ago
Says the guy who took other people’s images and sold them...
- jedimastert 6y ago
  Warhol had a fascinating perspective on mass-produced pop culture, having enough insight to pretty much game the system
- slim 6y ago
  every artist does that. he just did it in a straight, sorryless way. hence the concept in his conceptual art.
  - yesenadam 6y ago
    > every artist does that. Um, no.
- marban 6y ago
  You should read his bio.
- nix23 6y ago
  That's why Macintosh and he was a perfect match, one took pictures the other took windows-es (xerox) ;)
- montjoy 6y ago
  Clearly he’s making a joke...
  - marban 6y ago
    Andy Warhol wouldn't be on HN I guess.
koheripbal 6y ago
I don't think anyone has figured it out yet, because if you aren't paying for news, then you are the product and not the consumer, and yet most news is still free. ...or maybe they have figured it out.
- azangru 6y ago
  Ok, I am not paying for reading the news feed on HackerNews. I suppose you aren't paying either. Are both of us HackerNews' products?
  - nix23 6y ago
    >Are both of us HackerNews' products? At least the product supporter ;)
  - bigiain 6y ago
    Have you stopped to think what YCombinator is getting out of paying the bills to keen this site running?
    - GlennS 6y ago
      Is it costly for them? I assumed they thought it was good, cheap PR.
  - r0m4n0 6y ago
    Actually I think hacker news is the Google in this scenario. They are profiting off aggregating the content of other news outlets. I’m not sure it’s right/wrong or how it’s going to work but if Australia says you make money off aggregating their news you must pay some legislated amount, I’m not sure I agree with the precedent of that
  - dexen 6y ago
    >Are both of us HackerNews' products? Yes. We the users of HN are product - both individually, and also as a market segment, and also as a smart[0] crowd. From [1], Y Combinator provides seed funding for startups. To Y Combinator, the HN is both entry to the sales (investment) funnel, and a PR machine. And also early opinion & commentary, early beta-testing, load testing [2], and more. That is not to detract from the (very probable) angle of pg & team wishing to render a public service for the public good :-) -- [0] the occasional bad thread notwithstanding ;-) [1] https://www.ycombinator.com/about/#whatwedo https://www.ycombinator.com/about/#whatwedo [2] aka HN hug of death
pandas20 6y ago
Someone with enough clout and reach should start a mass movement spanning the world. There will be lots of supporters. Clearly people who create news (and legally should be considered owners of that news) should be compensated by publishers who profit from that news. It will have far reaching social impact. It will provide monetary benefits to people who decide to sell their news stories and also solve the problem of online privacy. Point is sports bodies have long argued that they own the content they create. Why is the same not true for individuals as well? Of course politics will have to be made an exception.
- mc32 6y ago
  Who has to pay whom for reporting on a congressional scandal?
  - phkahler 6y ago
    The reporter needs to get paid. Usually a publisher will pay them and publish the story. Everyone else running the story is a leech. Places sharing headlines and linking to the proper publisher are usually helpful.
    - Aaargh20318 6y ago
      But the reporter didn't create the news, they just reported it. The news was created by whoever was involved in the scandal, so they should be paid.
zrth 6y ago
Journalism is printing what someone else does not want published; everything else is public relations. -- George Orwell (possibly wrongly attributed)
- mesofile 6y ago
  Definitely wrongly attributed https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/01/20/news-suppress/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/01/20/news-suppress/
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by marban 6y ago

alexmingoia 6y ago

Says the guy who took other people’s images and sold them...

jedimastert 6y ago
Warhol had a fascinating perspective on mass-produced pop culture, having enough insight to pretty much game the system
slim 6y ago
every artist does that. he just did it in a straight, sorryless way. hence the concept in his conceptual art.
- yesenadam 6y ago
  > every artist does that. Um, no.
marban 6y ago
You should read his bio.
nix23 6y ago
That's why Macintosh and he was a perfect match, one took pictures the other took windows-es (xerox) ;)
montjoy 6y ago
Clearly he’s making a joke...
- marban 6y ago
  Andy Warhol wouldn't be on HN I guess.

koheripbal 6y ago

I don't think anyone has figured it out yet, because if you aren't paying for news, then you are the product and not the consumer, and yet most news is still free. ...or maybe they have figured it out.

azangru 6y ago
Ok, I am not paying for reading the news feed on HackerNews. I suppose you aren't paying either. Are both of us HackerNews' products?
- nix23 6y ago
  >Are both of us HackerNews' products? At least the product supporter ;)
- bigiain 6y ago
  Have you stopped to think what YCombinator is getting out of paying the bills to keen this site running?
  - GlennS 6y ago
    Is it costly for them? I assumed they thought it was good, cheap PR.
- r0m4n0 6y ago
  Actually I think hacker news is the Google in this scenario. They are profiting off aggregating the content of other news outlets. I’m not sure it’s right/wrong or how it’s going to work but if Australia says you make money off aggregating their news you must pay some legislated amount, I’m not sure I agree with the precedent of that
- dexen 6y ago
  >Are both of us HackerNews' products? Yes. We the users of HN are product - both individually, and also as a market segment, and also as a smart[0] crowd. From [1], Y Combinator provides seed funding for startups. To Y Combinator, the HN is both entry to the sales (investment) funnel, and a PR machine. And also early opinion & commentary, early beta-testing, load testing [2], and more. That is not to detract from the (very probable) angle of pg & team wishing to render a public service for the public good :-) -- [0] the occasional bad thread notwithstanding ;-) [1] https://www.ycombinator.com/about/#whatwedo https://www.ycombinator.com/about/#whatwedo [2] aka HN hug of death

pandas20 6y ago

Someone with enough clout and reach should start a mass movement spanning the world. There will be lots of supporters. Clearly people who create news (and legally should be considered owners of that news) should be compensated by publishers who profit from that news. It will have far reaching social impact. It will provide monetary benefits to people who decide to sell their news stories and also solve the problem of online privacy. Point is sports bodies have long argued that they own the content they create. Why is the same not true for individuals as well? Of course politics will have to be made an exception.

mc32 6y ago
Who has to pay whom for reporting on a congressional scandal?
- phkahler 6y ago
  The reporter needs to get paid. Usually a publisher will pay them and publish the story. Everyone else running the story is a leech. Places sharing headlines and linking to the proper publisher are usually helpful.
  - Aaargh20318 6y ago
    But the reporter didn't create the news, they just reported it. The news was created by whoever was involved in the scandal, so they should be paid.

zrth 6y ago

Journalism is printing what someone else does not want published; everything else is public relations. -- George Orwell (possibly wrongly attributed)

mesofile 6y ago
Definitely wrongly attributed https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/01/20/news-suppress/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/01/20/news-suppress/

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