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Is this about copyright? Aka "If you copy more then X words, your violate the authors copyright" so that one has to negotiate with the author about copying more

Is this about copyright? Aka "If you copy more then X words, your violate the authors copyright" so that one has to negotiate with the author about copying more then X words? Or do they force Google and Facebook to publish those snippets and pay for them? Making media kind of state controlled? If so, who decides which news have to be included? Or what is this about?

inopinatus 6y ago
It’s about News Corporation’s exceptionally close ties to the party that currently holds the majority in Australian federal parliament. This grants them the opportunity to use Australia as a licensing model test venue, as well as hoping to normalise the idea as acceptable rather than farcical in at least one western laissez-faire capitalist democracy in the hope this can be leveraged into others.
- marcus_holmes 6y ago
  Also about journalism's complete failure to adapt to a changing business landscape and find a different business model. In one way, this is good. It will fail miserably, and demonstrate to newspaper CEO's that "Big Tech" is not stealing their revenues. Then they can move on to try something different.
  - sjy 6y ago
    If the system fails, and consequently newspapers fail, while tech companies thrive, how will that demonstrate to newspaper CEOs that big tech isn’t stealing their revenue?
    - marcus_holmes 6y ago
      Because newspapers are failing anyway, and tech companies are thriving anyway. So if this system fails, nothing changed. If this system works, and suddenly Australian newspapers are viable while newspapers elsewhere are still struggling, then it will prove that forcing tech to pay for content works, and that therefore tech was probably stealing media's revenue.
      - asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
        It doesn't seem necessary for tech to be stealing revenue from publishing for this system to function. If I hold a gun to your head and say give me a thousand bucks, and you do, I'll be a thousand bucks richer, whether or not I was stealing your revenue.
      - inopinatus 6y ago
        What it'd prove is that regulatory capture works.
HugThem 6y ago
Reading Google's point of view on what happened in Spain they had yet another model over there: "Legislation in Spain requires every Spanish publication to charge services like Google News for showing even the smallest snippet from their publications, whether they want to or not." https://support.google.com/news/publisher-center/answer/9609687 https://support.google.com/news/publisher-center/answer/9609... Maybe it is similar to that? I wonder who defines what "news" are? If part of this text I am writing ends up quoted on a website owned by someone in Spain, I would be forced by law to send them an invoice?
- anticensor 6y ago
  No, copyright union will send the invoice on behalf of you, just as in music royalties. They will have to pay the copyright union, even if you choose not to receive it yourself.
rswail 6y ago
It's about registered news companies being able to force Google/FB to bargain/arbitration about revenues from displaying their news on the platform.

inopinatus 6y ago

It’s about News Corporation’s exceptionally close ties to the party that currently holds the majority in Australian federal parliament. This grants them the opportunity to use Australia as a licensing model test venue, as well as hoping to normalise the idea as acceptable rather than farcical in at least one western laissez-faire capitalist democracy in the hope this can be leveraged into others.

marcus_holmes 6y ago
Also about journalism's complete failure to adapt to a changing business landscape and find a different business model. In one way, this is good. It will fail miserably, and demonstrate to newspaper CEO's that "Big Tech" is not stealing their revenues. Then they can move on to try something different.
- sjy 6y ago
  If the system fails, and consequently newspapers fail, while tech companies thrive, how will that demonstrate to newspaper CEOs that big tech isn’t stealing their revenue?
  - marcus_holmes 6y ago
    Because newspapers are failing anyway, and tech companies are thriving anyway. So if this system fails, nothing changed. If this system works, and suddenly Australian newspapers are viable while newspapers elsewhere are still struggling, then it will prove that forcing tech to pay for content works, and that therefore tech was probably stealing media's revenue.
    - asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
      It doesn't seem necessary for tech to be stealing revenue from publishing for this system to function. If I hold a gun to your head and say give me a thousand bucks, and you do, I'll be a thousand bucks richer, whether or not I was stealing your revenue.
    - inopinatus 6y ago
      What it'd prove is that regulatory capture works.

HugThem 6y ago

Reading Google's point of view on what happened in Spain they had yet another model over there: "Legislation in Spain requires every Spanish publication to charge services like Google News for showing even the smallest snippet from their publications, whether they want to or not." https://support.google.com/news/publisher-center/answer/9609687 https://support.google.com/news/publisher-center/answer/9609... Maybe it is similar to that? I wonder who defines what "news" are? If part of this text I am writing ends up quoted on a website owned by someone in Spain, I would be forced by law to send them an invoice?

anticensor 6y ago
No, copyright union will send the invoice on behalf of you, just as in music royalties. They will have to pay the copyright union, even if you choose not to receive it yourself.

rswail 6y ago

It's about registered news companies being able to force Google/FB to bargain/arbitration about revenues from displaying their news on the platform.