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I haven't seen a form of phishing that hardware 2FA doesn't stop. Yes, it would have.

fareesh 6y ago
The way it is worded can also mean that there were XSS vulnerabilities in the internal tool since they are saying "gained information about how our processes work". I feel like that's a strange and vague thing to say. The right kind of xss vulnerability would enable them to bypass 2fa too, maybe steal backup codes even.
- berkes 6y ago
  I understood that line as 'saw names, contact detail, positions and permissions of employees'
- Thorrez 6y ago
  If there's an XSS attack I don't consider that phishing.
  - fareesh 6y ago
    Isn't it both? Phish first user, post to internal tool and xss attack second user.
    - Thorrez 6y ago
      Yeah I guess you're right, it could be like an exploit chain where 1 link in the chain is phishing to gain access to something and xss is the next link for lateral movement. But I don't know what "The right kind of xss vulnerability would enable them to bypass 2fa too" means. If the attacker doesn't have 2FA I would think the attacker can't log in, thus meaning the first link of the chain has no purpose. But I also think XSS in this case is not very likely. From interviews with the attackers it sounds like they're social engineering experts who hang out on social engineering forums, not XSS experts[1][2][3]. [1] https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/07/whos-behind-wednesdays-epic-twitter-hack/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/07/whos-behind-wednesdays-e... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/technology/twitter-hackers-interview.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/technology/twitter-hacker... [3] https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/07/twitter-hacking-for-profit-and-the-lols/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/07/twitter-hacking-for-prof...
monoideism 6y ago
Significant forms of phishing are stopped by U2F (as used by Yubikey and others), by crytographically binding your credential to the domain name , and only issuing an approval signature if the site matches. Obviously, this stops credential phishing. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/07/google-security-keys-neutralized-employee-phishing/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/07/google-security-keys-neu... https://medium.com/@antonisikora/how-u2f-security-keys-can-eliminate-phishing-e368e33024be https://medium.com/@antonisikora/how-u2f-security-keys-can-e...
- Thorrez 6y ago
  You and zamalek appear to be in agreement.
  - monoideism 6y ago
    You're right - I misread the comment. I'd delete my comment if I could.
Thorrez 6y ago
It does depend on whether the hardware 2FA is U2F (which stops phishing) or OTP[1] (which doesn't). [1] http://www.tokenguard.com/RSA-SecurID-SID700.asp http://www.tokenguard.com/RSA-SecurID-SID700.asp

The way it is worded can also mean that there were XSS vulnerabilities in the internal tool since they are saying "gained information about how our processes work". I feel like that's a strange and vague thing to say. The right kind of xss vulnerability would enable them to bypass 2fa too, maybe steal backup codes even.

berkes 6y ago
I understood that line as 'saw names, contact detail, positions and permissions of employees'
Thorrez 6y ago
If there's an XSS attack I don't consider that phishing.
- fareesh 6y ago
  Isn't it both? Phish first user, post to internal tool and xss attack second user.
  - Thorrez 6y ago
    Yeah I guess you're right, it could be like an exploit chain where 1 link in the chain is phishing to gain access to something and xss is the next link for lateral movement. But I don't know what "The right kind of xss vulnerability would enable them to bypass 2fa too" means. If the attacker doesn't have 2FA I would think the attacker can't log in, thus meaning the first link of the chain has no purpose. But I also think XSS in this case is not very likely. From interviews with the attackers it sounds like they're social engineering experts who hang out on social engineering forums, not XSS experts[1][2][3]. [1] https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/07/whos-behind-wednesdays-epic-twitter-hack/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/07/whos-behind-wednesdays-e... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/technology/twitter-hackers-interview.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/technology/twitter-hacker... [3] https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/07/twitter-hacking-for-profit-and-the-lols/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/07/twitter-hacking-for-prof...

monoideism 6y ago

Significant forms of phishing are stopped by U2F (as used by Yubikey and others), by crytographically binding your credential to the domain name , and only issuing an approval signature if the site matches. Obviously, this stops credential phishing. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/07/google-security-keys-neutralized-employee-phishing/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/07/google-security-keys-neu... https://medium.com/@antonisikora/how-u2f-security-keys-can-eliminate-phishing-e368e33024be https://medium.com/@antonisikora/how-u2f-security-keys-can-e...

Thorrez 6y ago
You and zamalek appear to be in agreement.
- monoideism 6y ago
  You're right - I misread the comment. I'd delete my comment if I could.

Thorrez 6y ago

It does depend on whether the hardware 2FA is U2F (which stops phishing) or OTP[1] (which doesn't). [1] http://www.tokenguard.com/RSA-SecurID-SID700.asp http://www.tokenguard.com/RSA-SecurID-SID700.asp