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I have the opposite feeling; very often I will contribute to someone's patreon or gofundme or whatever because I like their work and have gotten a lot out of it

by zem 6y ago

I have the opposite feeling; very often I will contribute to someone's patreon or gofundme or whatever because I like their work and have gotten a lot out of it, but I almost never go on to read the members only writing. some part of me values it less because it isn't freely accessible.

mjayhn 6y ago
I do this and I feel bad about it when I'm not reading someones stuff. Please don't take it personally. There's a lot going on, my plan is to eventually get to it and support you along the way for making it. Also I'm hugely supportive to any devs going off and doing indie projects mostly out of wanting to make that a real source of income for the rest of us.
throwanem 6y ago
I don't tend to take advantage of members-only content either, but for me it's purely a matter of convenience. If Patreon had an authenticated RSS feed link in user profiles, I absolutely would use it, but I can rarely be bothered (or even remember, really) to actually visit the website. It doesn't feel like a loss, though. I mean, if I'm supporting someone's work, it's on the strength of what I could already see before I started doing that.
- techsupporter 6y ago
  > If Patreon had an authenticated RSS feed link in user profiles, I absolutely would use it Patreon does have this feature for audio content, like podcasts, if the creator enables it: https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/213557023-Enable-audio-RSS-feeds-for-my-patrons https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/213557023-Enab... But I think you mean for all content? I emulate this by enabling e-mail notifications for all posts from some creators and auto-forwarding them to Newsblur for newsletter reading. Maybe that helps.
  - throwanem 6y ago
    That actually really might! I've been in the market for a new reader, since Feedly's product people seem hellbent on making it worse with every update, and Newsblur might be just the thing. And while it hadn't occurred to me until you mentioned that (for which thanks!), any email-to-RSS gateway should let me do what I'm looking for. One thing Feedly hasn't managed to ruin, yet at least, is the "today" view, with items from all sources sorted by time. Does Newsblur do something similar? Their iOS screenshots don't make it easy to tell.
    - techsupporter 6y ago
      There's an "All Site Stories" category that shows all unread articles from each site (a newsletter counts as a "site") with the most recent entry at the top. Most recent is across all sites, so something like this: - Site 2, 08:34 - Site 1, 08:19 - Site 3, 07:49 - Site 2, 06:02 - Site 3, 05:55 And so on, if that makes sense. I haven't looked for a "show me everything, unread or not, sorted by time" feature but if it's not there the dev just might add it for you.
  - OJFord 6y ago
    I've never used Patreon, but couldn't people just put the password for a publicly accessible feed behind their paywall?
    - throwanem 6y ago
      Each creator would have to separately set that up. The right place to do it is Patreon, which already aggregates their posts for subscribers.
tomcam 6y ago
Same here exactly. And I always feel I've got more than my money's worth
- IggleSniggle 6y ago
  Yeah it's like, "it was an absolute steal at $0, and it's still an absolute steal at $10!"
Kye 6y ago
About half my patrons are like this. The other half do look at posts, but don't really care what I post since they have eclectic tastes. I thought something was wrong when I first noticed the phenomenon.
viburnum 6y ago
It's usually not very good.
cletus 6y ago
I agree with this. Just recently I watched a couple of videos from a Youtube channel I follow (and like). I get through the second one and it was basically "if you want to find out more, support us on Patreon to see this supporters-only content". My reaction was basically to lose interest in the channel entirely. Like it's something I'm mildly interested in but not totally invested in. The problem now is that before watching any more of their videos, my thought will be "will this be actual content or a just a teaser to sell Patreon support?" Either put up content on Youtube or don't. But this bait-and-switch is a quick path to unsubscribing entirely.
- stnmtn 6y ago
  It's extremely hard, because they have to advertise their patreon somehow, and Youtube is clearly the best way to do it. I don't have a problem with free content, and premium content, as long as the quality of the two is about equal.
account42 6y ago
It doesn't help that patreon's js-riddled atrocity of a website doesn't exactly make it fun to access that content.
usrusr 6y ago
"Worth supporting but not worth buying", that can definitely be a thing. Supporting something that's available for free makes you a contributor, buying restricted access makes you a customer, with all the expectations of a competitive value proposition. Most buskers would not be able to sell a single ticket.

by zem 6y ago

mjayhn 6y ago

I do this and I feel bad about it when I'm not reading someones stuff. Please don't take it personally. There's a lot going on, my plan is to eventually get to it and support you along the way for making it. Also I'm hugely supportive to any devs going off and doing indie projects mostly out of wanting to make that a real source of income for the rest of us.

throwanem 6y ago

I don't tend to take advantage of members-only content either, but for me it's purely a matter of convenience. If Patreon had an authenticated RSS feed link in user profiles, I absolutely would use it, but I can rarely be bothered (or even remember, really) to actually visit the website. It doesn't feel like a loss, though. I mean, if I'm supporting someone's work, it's on the strength of what I could already see before I started doing that.

techsupporter 6y ago
> If Patreon had an authenticated RSS feed link in user profiles, I absolutely would use it Patreon does have this feature for audio content, like podcasts, if the creator enables it: https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/213557023-Enable-audio-RSS-feeds-for-my-patrons https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/213557023-Enab... But I think you mean for all content? I emulate this by enabling e-mail notifications for all posts from some creators and auto-forwarding them to Newsblur for newsletter reading. Maybe that helps.
- throwanem 6y ago
  That actually really might! I've been in the market for a new reader, since Feedly's product people seem hellbent on making it worse with every update, and Newsblur might be just the thing. And while it hadn't occurred to me until you mentioned that (for which thanks!), any email-to-RSS gateway should let me do what I'm looking for. One thing Feedly hasn't managed to ruin, yet at least, is the "today" view, with items from all sources sorted by time. Does Newsblur do something similar? Their iOS screenshots don't make it easy to tell.
  - techsupporter 6y ago
    There's an "All Site Stories" category that shows all unread articles from each site (a newsletter counts as a "site") with the most recent entry at the top. Most recent is across all sites, so something like this: - Site 2, 08:34 - Site 1, 08:19 - Site 3, 07:49 - Site 2, 06:02 - Site 3, 05:55 And so on, if that makes sense. I haven't looked for a "show me everything, unread or not, sorted by time" feature but if it's not there the dev just might add it for you.
- OJFord 6y ago
  I've never used Patreon, but couldn't people just put the password for a publicly accessible feed behind their paywall?
  - throwanem 6y ago
    Each creator would have to separately set that up. The right place to do it is Patreon, which already aggregates their posts for subscribers.

tomcam 6y ago

Same here exactly. And I always feel I've got more than my money's worth

IggleSniggle 6y ago
Yeah it's like, "it was an absolute steal at $0, and it's still an absolute steal at $10!"

Kye 6y ago

About half my patrons are like this. The other half do look at posts, but don't really care what I post since they have eclectic tastes. I thought something was wrong when I first noticed the phenomenon.

viburnum 6y ago

It's usually not very good.

cletus 6y ago

I agree with this. Just recently I watched a couple of videos from a Youtube channel I follow (and like). I get through the second one and it was basically "if you want to find out more, support us on Patreon to see this supporters-only content". My reaction was basically to lose interest in the channel entirely. Like it's something I'm mildly interested in but not totally invested in. The problem now is that before watching any more of their videos, my thought will be "will this be actual content or a just a teaser to sell Patreon support?" Either put up content on Youtube or don't. But this bait-and-switch is a quick path to unsubscribing entirely.

stnmtn 6y ago
It's extremely hard, because they have to advertise their patreon somehow, and Youtube is clearly the best way to do it. I don't have a problem with free content, and premium content, as long as the quality of the two is about equal.

account42 6y ago

It doesn't help that patreon's js-riddled atrocity of a website doesn't exactly make it fun to access that content.

usrusr 6y ago

"Worth supporting but not worth buying", that can definitely be a thing. Supporting something that's available for free makes you a contributor, buying restricted access makes you a customer, with all the expectations of a competitive value proposition. Most buskers would not be able to sell a single ticket.