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> YouTube where one can't help but ponder about content moderation at this scale being impossible That's precisely why YouTube cares so much about content mode

> YouTube where one can't help but ponder about content moderation at this scale being impossible That's precisely why YouTube cares so much about content moderation. They need to figure out some way to not hemorrhage money with all the hosting, transcode, and CDN costs for low-effort, spammy, and controversial content that cannot be monetized. Their actions taken to address content moderation sent the world into a tailspin as a result, proving Google both understands their scale and cares very little about the way their policies disrupt societies. In 2018 YouTube went on a deletion/censorship spree in the name of racism, deleting 50mil videos in the process. But it was clear that they only scapegoated racism as the reason, because only 1% of the video they deleted was racist. [0] The reason for this scapegoating was to avoid culpability in the mistaken business model of being the world's largest beer bong for internet video. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/13/youtube-removed-nearly-2-million-channels-more-than-7-million-videos.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/13/youtube-removed-nearly-2-mil...

dkdk8283 6y ago
YouTube was amazing back in the day but with censorship it has become a mediocre content dumpster fire. I haven’t been interested in anything on trending in a long time.
- AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
  Like every other startup, they pursued "growth at all costs," got acquired by a business that could eat all the red ink, but now over a decade later, that business is sick of it and looking for the mouth wash. It's just too bad they got pretty much the entire first world addicted to it before they decided to ban anti-war content as "racist" and alternative approaches to medicine as "dangerous." Why is YouTube so insistent that we not use our own minds to decide for ourselves? Perhaps because they really would find it more preferable if you didn't do any of that thinking for yourself. That's not how advertising works. [0] [0] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/781798-universal-literacy-was-supposed-to-educate-the-common-man-to https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/781798-universal-literacy-w...
  - zozbot234 6y ago
    Pre-acquisition YT was nowhere near as large or popular. Videos used to be tiny resolution, heavily compressed and limited to a few minutes in length. Which is to say, most of their pursuit of "growth at all costs" was well after they were acquired and became part of Google/Alphabet.
- ajzinsbwbs 6y ago
  There’s still a ton of interesting content on YouTube. They have taken down stuff that didn’t deserve to be taken down, but it’s a very small portion of overall content. Other than people who are only interested in watching borderline material, I don’t think it affected the average user much. I can still watch a guy marvel in an endearing Canadian accent as he inspects the manufacturing of a $500 toaster. And YouTube continued to grow quickly last year, so in the empirical sense it is doing well. The nature of the platform is that it is full of content producers with massive followings. If a small portion of those producers get dinged, they can make a lot of noise, but it doesn’t necessarily amount to much compared to YouTube as a whole.
  - Covzire 6y ago
    I think GP's point might have been specific to Trending. Youtube's algo is pretty good at throwing me interesting content from my own subs, but I agree with the GP that the trending list is garbage. Also, attempting to do broad searches for most news topics simply returns CNN, ABC, etc like clockwork now, and they're not at all the type of content that got Youtube where it is today. It's become more and more MegaCorpTube in recent years.
- SirLuxuryYacht 6y ago
  That could be because the massive viewership driving the trending videos, e.g. music, make up and dood perfect, seem to be younger than those who might be browsing HN. I've had the app on my phone for over a decade and I share your sentiment with trending vids, but there is a lot of excellent content that would not exist without youtube. The recommendation algo is pretty good these days.
  - zozbot234 6y ago
    That might not last, the younger crowd seems to be going for TikTok these days.
zozbot234 6y ago
A lot of that low-effort, spammy content could be deleted simply for being, yknow, spammy. Or even for promoting outright scams. Political videos are a rather small niche ultimately, there's a lot on there that's just crap.
magicalist 6y ago
> In 2018 YouTube went on a deletion/censorship spree in the name of racism, deleting 50mil videos in the process. But it was clear that they only scapegoated racism as the reason, because only 1% of the video they deleted was racist. [0] Huh? "In the name of racism", but the source in that story is Youtube itself, and they're the ones giving the breakdown of why videos were deleted: > YouTube says that most of the videos it removed — 79.6 percent — violated its policies on spam, misleading content or scams, while 12.6 percent were removed for nudity or sexual content. Only about 1 percent of channels were removed for promotion of violence, violent extremism, harassment or hateful or abusive content, although videos of that nature have attracted the most scrutiny in the past year. The source seems to be https://transparencyreport.google.com/youtube-policy/removals https://transparencyreport.google.com/youtube-policy/removal...

dkdk8283 6y ago

YouTube was amazing back in the day but with censorship it has become a mediocre content dumpster fire. I haven’t been interested in anything on trending in a long time.

AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
Like every other startup, they pursued "growth at all costs," got acquired by a business that could eat all the red ink, but now over a decade later, that business is sick of it and looking for the mouth wash. It's just too bad they got pretty much the entire first world addicted to it before they decided to ban anti-war content as "racist" and alternative approaches to medicine as "dangerous." Why is YouTube so insistent that we not use our own minds to decide for ourselves? Perhaps because they really would find it more preferable if you didn't do any of that thinking for yourself. That's not how advertising works. [0] [0] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/781798-universal-literacy-was-supposed-to-educate-the-common-man-to https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/781798-universal-literacy-w...
- zozbot234 6y ago
  Pre-acquisition YT was nowhere near as large or popular. Videos used to be tiny resolution, heavily compressed and limited to a few minutes in length. Which is to say, most of their pursuit of "growth at all costs" was well after they were acquired and became part of Google/Alphabet.
ajzinsbwbs 6y ago
There’s still a ton of interesting content on YouTube. They have taken down stuff that didn’t deserve to be taken down, but it’s a very small portion of overall content. Other than people who are only interested in watching borderline material, I don’t think it affected the average user much. I can still watch a guy marvel in an endearing Canadian accent as he inspects the manufacturing of a $500 toaster. And YouTube continued to grow quickly last year, so in the empirical sense it is doing well. The nature of the platform is that it is full of content producers with massive followings. If a small portion of those producers get dinged, they can make a lot of noise, but it doesn’t necessarily amount to much compared to YouTube as a whole.
- Covzire 6y ago
  I think GP's point might have been specific to Trending. Youtube's algo is pretty good at throwing me interesting content from my own subs, but I agree with the GP that the trending list is garbage. Also, attempting to do broad searches for most news topics simply returns CNN, ABC, etc like clockwork now, and they're not at all the type of content that got Youtube where it is today. It's become more and more MegaCorpTube in recent years.
SirLuxuryYacht 6y ago
That could be because the massive viewership driving the trending videos, e.g. music, make up and dood perfect, seem to be younger than those who might be browsing HN. I've had the app on my phone for over a decade and I share your sentiment with trending vids, but there is a lot of excellent content that would not exist without youtube. The recommendation algo is pretty good these days.
- zozbot234 6y ago
  That might not last, the younger crowd seems to be going for TikTok these days.

zozbot234 6y ago

A lot of that low-effort, spammy content could be deleted simply for being, yknow, spammy. Or even for promoting outright scams. Political videos are a rather small niche ultimately, there's a lot on there that's just crap.

magicalist 6y ago

> In 2018 YouTube went on a deletion/censorship spree in the name of racism, deleting 50mil videos in the process. But it was clear that they only scapegoated racism as the reason, because only 1% of the video they deleted was racist. [0] Huh? "In the name of racism", but the source in that story is Youtube itself, and they're the ones giving the breakdown of why videos were deleted: > YouTube says that most of the videos it removed — 79.6 percent — violated its policies on spam, misleading content or scams, while 12.6 percent were removed for nudity or sexual content. Only about 1 percent of channels were removed for promotion of violence, violent extremism, harassment or hateful or abusive content, although videos of that nature have attracted the most scrutiny in the past year. The source seems to be https://transparencyreport.google.com/youtube-policy/removals https://transparencyreport.google.com/youtube-policy/removal...