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>If you get off to sexually abusing a child, that is pedophilia, so essentially all CSA crimes are committed by pedophiles. The data seems to contradict this.

>If you get off to sexually abusing a child, that is pedophilia, so essentially all CSA crimes are committed by pedophiles. The data seems to contradict this. "Estimates of preferential attraction for children among those who offend are often in the ballpark of 25% to 50%"[0]. Granted, this is talking about preferential attraction, but estimates on the percentage of men with non-preferential attraction factor in at a much higher percentage of the population than pedophiles (and others we assume are preferentially attracted). Other than this, it still seems to leave a segment of child abusers who do not enjoy their actions sexually, but for other reasons (say, power). >This hasn't been shown to be true. To some degree (and I suspect, to a similar degree to pedophiles) it has, see my comment here[1]. Exposure to pornography is usually shown to trigger or at least intensify feelings of sexual agression, either physical or verbal, even in non-experimental studies. > the consumption of CP has been shown to create the urge to engage in pedophilic acts in pedophiles. Is this true of all pedophiles generally based on a sample of the pedophile population, or those recruited to take part in such a study after being convicted of child abuse (contact or non-contact) offences? I can very easily see the fact they've been convicted as being a huge confounder here. Just to be clear, I'm not arguing that CP should be legal; I just think that on the basis of the available evidence, I can't see any reason to illegalize fictional representations. I think the alcohol and regular porn comparison holds quite well. The longitudinal study data which contradicts the theory that increased availability of porn does not lead to higher rates of rape is simply unavailable for child porn, perhaps with one exception, though[2]. The link between inebriation and likelihood of sex crimes is to my knowledge undisputed, though. [0] References here: https://www.b4uact.org/know-the-facts/behavior/ https://www.b4uact.org/know-the-facts/behavior/ [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23789827 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23789827 [2] http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2010to2014/2010-porn-in-czech-republic.html http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2010to2014/2010-p...

buisi 6y ago
> To some degree (and I suspect, to a similar degree to pedophiles) it has, see my comment here[1]. Exposure to pornography is usually shown to trigger or at least intensify feelings of sexual agression, either physical or verbal, even in non-experimental studies. Do they climax or simply look at the images in an experimental lab setting? Do they have a secondary condition? Do they have POCD? > Is this true of all pedophiles generally based on a sample of the pedophile population, or those recruited to take part in such a study after being convicted of child abuse (contact or non-contact) offences? I can very easily see the fact they've been convicted as being a huge confounder here. Many studies are done in a clinical setting. Someone who has self-control issues is more likely to go to a shrink for those issues than someone who does not. Other studies are done in a criminal justice setting which is similar.
buisi 6y ago
There are many reasons a non-pedophile might do it. Someone who is hypersexual might see them as the only option available to them. They are easy for them to overpower too unlike someone older.
buisi 6y ago
> I'm not arguing that CP should be legal It is questionable whether possession should be illegal. It incentivizes people to cover up crimes as they themselves may be held complicit otherwise. It incentivizes law enforcement to disrupt support / prevention efforts as anything someone could say could be taken in evidence. This won't be a popular notion, admittedly. But it is an important elephant to address.

buisi 6y ago

> To some degree (and I suspect, to a similar degree to pedophiles) it has, see my comment here[1]. Exposure to pornography is usually shown to trigger or at least intensify feelings of sexual agression, either physical or verbal, even in non-experimental studies. Do they climax or simply look at the images in an experimental lab setting? Do they have a secondary condition? Do they have POCD? > Is this true of all pedophiles generally based on a sample of the pedophile population, or those recruited to take part in such a study after being convicted of child abuse (contact or non-contact) offences? I can very easily see the fact they've been convicted as being a huge confounder here. Many studies are done in a clinical setting. Someone who has self-control issues is more likely to go to a shrink for those issues than someone who does not. Other studies are done in a criminal justice setting which is similar.

buisi 6y ago

There are many reasons a non-pedophile might do it. Someone who is hypersexual might see them as the only option available to them. They are easy for them to overpower too unlike someone older.

buisi 6y ago

> I'm not arguing that CP should be legal It is questionable whether possession should be illegal. It incentivizes people to cover up crimes as they themselves may be held complicit otherwise. It incentivizes law enforcement to disrupt support / prevention efforts as anything someone could say could be taken in evidence. This won't be a popular notion, admittedly. But it is an important elephant to address.