He confirms it in this interview, but is quoted as saying that "computing" rather than "programming" is a pop culture. https://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and

He confirms it in this interview, but is quoted as saying that "computing" rather than "programming" is a pop culture. https://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/interview-with-alan-kay/240003442 https://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/interview-wi...